Posts by tag: MotoGP

Ducati March 3, 2018 posted by

Misplaced Priorities: 2008 Ducati Desmosedici RR for Sale

I realize that I'm spoiled. I'm spoiled because my current riding group includes five or six MV Agustas that actually run, a pair of RSV4s, a few Ducatis, a couple Bimotas, and a KTM. I'm spoiled because I live in Southern California, and car and motorcycle exotica are everywhere: I've recently come across a few Arch Motorcycles, nearly every variety of 90s two-stroke, Confederate Fighters actually being ridden on the road, a slew of Bimotas, pretty much every vintage and modern sportbike you can possibly imagine, even a Gurney Alligator. Which is possibly why I'm surprisingly blase about the Ducati Desmosedici RR, one of the most exotic machines of the past twenty years.

It's not fair to the Desmo. I should be incredibly impressed by it, but it probably doesn't help that I've never really thought the Desmo was all that beautiful. It's no doubt a very aggressive machine, with a leering, hungry-catfish face and a wild exhaust that exits through the top of the tailpiece, at least in stock form: there's also a Ducati Performance system that vents two of the cylinders through the bellypan on the right side and the others through a more traditional underseat pipe. But although it lacks the slim-waisted purpose of a 916 or the sculptural elegance of an MV Agusta F4, the D16RR, meant to closely ape the look of Ducati's 990cc MotoGP racebike, has an air of ruthlessness about it and looks like nothing else on the road.

The original idea was to take Ducati's V4-powered MotoGP racebike and detune it, then sell a few to well-heeled enthusiasts to use at trackdays or as living room ornamentation. While other "race replicas" of the period generally consisted of race bike colors, graphics, and even sponsors splashed across otherwise stock bikes, Ducati went and made a bike that had almost nothing in common with any of their production motorcycles. It even used an annoyingly-authentic 16" rear wheel, something that must be pretty inconvenient when you're trying to get street tires to shoe this thing.

Of course, the D16RR is obviously no "homologation special" since MotoGP is a prototype series and the bikes need share nothing except a badge with a company's roadgoing offerings. Appearances and specifications to the contrary, the Desmo doesn't actually use a detuned MotoGP powerplant: race engines in the premier class don't factor longevity into the equation and, even detuned, don't make useable or practical road bike powerplants, considering they lack things like a charging system or a starter...

Instead, Ducati basically whipped up an entirely new V4 engine for the bike that very, very closely mirrors the specifications and layout of the racebike while at the same time sharing almost no parts... So you still get a 989cc 90° V4 with gear-driven cams, Desmodromic valve actuation, and a "twin-pulse" firing order that gives it a bit of Ducati flavor compared to a "screamer" or "big-bang" configuration, along with a beefed-up cassette-style gearbox.

Considering the price tag, you could be forgiven for being unimpressed with the 170hp output and 425lb wet weight, but the numbers alone fail to capture the wild, track-bred character. And the Desmo is littered with top-shelf parts that help reign in the power, like the Öhlins FG353P gas-pressurized forks up front that are truly "race spec" and normally cost as much as a new GSX-R600...

From the original eBay listing: 2008 Ducati Desmosedici RR for Sale

No compromise, Italian passion personified. The high water mark for street legal sportbikes.

#895 out of 1500.

1878 miles all street so far. May increase in the next few months I don’t think I can resist doing some track days on this bike as the weather improves.

Serviced by a Ducati Master Technician at 1814 miles.

Clean title in hand, all manuals, 2 keys, technical workshop DVD.

Here’s a good article detailing the specs and history of this bike:

The bike is in my living room right now, seems perfectly normal to me, but wife isn’t amused - please buy this so I can start sleeping in my bed again.

I'm willing to deliver or meet you within a 1000 mile radius of Salt Lake City for a small additional fee.  Please contact me for details.  Or is a good option for shipping.

Bike is for sale locally also, I reserve the right to end this auction at any time.

This one appears to be nearly untouched, with under two thousand miles. Which makes sense because the seller claims it's currently being used in lieu of a big-screen television or a painting of a ship being tossed on stormy seas to liven up their home. They may have chosen to get rid of the Desmo, but is that the real problem here? New, the bike retailed for $72,000 and the 1,500 built were quickly snapped up by collectors, although anyone looking to quickly flip their purchase for profit were severely disappointed: these can often be found for well under that, and certainly much less than today's example with an $80,000 asking price. Have values jumped sharply, or is this seller simply ambitious?


Misplaced Priorities: 2008 Ducati Desmosedici RR for Sale
Ducati January 18, 2018 posted by

Pie in the Sky: $90k 2008 Ducati Desmosedici RR

To the average sportbike addict, the 2008 Ducati Desmosedici RR stands alone among race replica bikes as the one that nailed all the details and defined the genre in a taught, carbon fiber-clad package. Honda saddled its RC213-VS with electronic nannies, a restrictive exhaust and a collectors-only asking price. Ducati engaged in no such silliness. They detuned, added lights, and slapped on a pricetag.

2008 Ducati Desmosedici RR for sale on eBay

What's more, the Italians asked under $100k for their super-exclusive, experts-only racebike, and readily provided the few things you needed to truly go nuts. Despite their rarity, the bikes have depreciated since then, and nice examples regularly go for the same price as a BMW 3 Series. Most, that is, except this 2008 Ducati Desmosedici RR.

While it is extremely low mileage, comes with all the factory extras, including the more business-minded exhaust system, $90,000 is a big ask, especially considering a brand-new Desmo was $72,500.

From the eBay listing:

2008 Ducati Desmosedici RR

1 of only 299 in the United States!

1 of 1500 Worldwide!

Owner never rode it.

Now is your chance to own one of the rarest motorycles produced by Ducati

Please Teddy With any questions 7278083284

The seller provides little in the way of description, but the pictures do a lot of the talking. Check out the gallery below and let us know what to make of the price in the comments.

Pie in the Sky: $90k 2008 Ducati Desmosedici RR
Cagiva January 16, 2017 posted by

Some Assembly Required: 1989 Cagiva 500GP V589 for Sale

We don't normally post project or incomplete bikes here on RSBFS, but this one seemed too good to pass up: one of Cagiva's inspired but ultimately doomed series of 500cc GP machines, the V589. Battling against the established giants, Cagiva originally experimented with an inline-four configuration but eventually followed Suzuki's successful formula with a square four, before switching to a V4 in 1986. They may have struggled to win races, but if bonus points had been awarded for looks, the Cagivas might have stood a better chance, since they're considered by some to be the prettiest racebikes of all time.

Even if you don't agree, the specifications are certainly stunning: in an effort to keep up with the more established players, Cagiva experimented with some really wild technology, considering these were racing in the late 1980s and early 1990s. Extensive use of carbon fiber, traction-control, and electronic suspension were all tried to give Cagiva a competitive edge, although consistent success eluded them and they withdrew from competition at the end of 1994.

Earlier machines like this one had clear stylistic links to the Ducati 916 and Cagiva Mito which should be no surprise, as the V589 was designed by Massimo Tamburini. Some versions included a carbon fiber swingarm, although this one has the aluminum version. Much of this V589's bodywork is missing, but that's no surprise as those bits are pretty expandable on a race bike. Fortunately, it has the all-important frame, although it sounds like that will require some changes to re-orient the shock, as it was modified at some point to try an alternative configuration.

From the original eBay listing: 1989 Cagiva 500GP V589 for Sale

This is a genuine 1989 Original Factory Works Cagiva V4 500 Grand Prix race bike, as ridden by Randy Mamola etc. It is sold as an incomplete project and is for restoration.

The engine has been rebuilt recently and is fresh but I would still check it as it's stood for a little while. The factory records confirms the original build date of 23/06/89. The frame is chassis 4, it has a special fuel tank which was used to test the ignition in the tank area and also modified to try a top mount shock rather than the original horizontal fitting. The swing arm and shock are the original horizontal type so the frame would need reverting to take the horizontal mounts. There is a linkage arm, the shock is a special Öhlins 500GP unit made for Cagiva. The dash includes temp gauge, Magnetti Marelli ignition, rectifier, battery, PV controller. There is a radiator, coil packs, PV motor, magnesium wheels with front discs, sprocket, cables for throttle and pv, the complete triple clamp magnesium assembly, footrest hangers, rear master cylinder, cast water pipes, upper front fairing, belly pan with air box sections. There are exhausts and silencers but will need modifying to fit as they are later year. Some small parts also. So it is a very good basis. All the parts are original Cagiva GP but as the bikes changed constantly from race to race some parts are from varied dates and may need work to fit. Please study the photos to see what is included, everything is shown.

The main missing parts are fork legs (Marzocchi or Öhlins were used at various times) carburettors, brake calipers (Brembo or AP were used) seat unit, mid-fairing section, tacho, bars with levers and throttle, wiring, some other small parts.

I can put the buyer in touch with a collector who has other Cagiva parts to finish the bike.

The price for this one-of-a-kind bit of racing history? Just $55,000 but, considering the missing parts and what they will cost to track down or create, this is definitely an "experts only" proposition, but those of us with reasonable means can still look at the possibilities and dream...


Some Assembly Required: 1989 Cagiva 500GP V589 for Sale
Honda January 7, 2017 posted by

Grand Prix Dreams: 1990 Honda RS125 for Sale

The second Honda RS125 that's been up for sale in the past couple weeks, this looks like a more bare-bones offering than the last one we featured, although it still appears to be in decent shape. If you're not familiar with the RS125, it's no "race replica": it's an over-the-counter competition machine meant for racing, not a stripped-down roadbike. Weighing in at 160lbs with a half-tank of fuel, it is powered by a very slightly undersquare 124.4cc two-stroke single that is backed by a six-speed gearbox.

These tiny two-strokes aren't for novices: the high-strung little engine makes a stunning 40+hp and that kind of power-to-weight means regular rebuilds, and shepherding the power from that tiny engine requires constant tuning and gearing changes to suit different altitudes, conditions, and tracks. It helps that the competition design means they're relatively simple to work on, but these are serious Grand Prix motorcycles, and potentially a stepping stone to bigger, faster bikes and more prestigious classes.

From the original eBay listing: 1990 Honda RS125 for Sale

Very rare Honda GP racer RS125, 125cc two-stroke single.
Very nice original condition.
1990 model legal to Vintage class racing.
Please see pictures for more detail.
Any questions please ask.
Will ship worldwide.

There's not much bidding activity so far and no Buy It Now price is listed, so perhaps this bike just hasn't found its audience yet, or maybe folks are looking for listings with more detailed descriptions? Is it the lack of extras? Spares for these little race bikes are very desirable, owing to the fact that they can be a pain to acquire and will be regularly needed if you plan to keep one running: 125s are often associated with cheap, reliable transportation, but the RS125 is a racing machine, and will require regular tuning and maintenance if the new owner intends to use the bike for its intended purpose.




Grand Prix Dreams: 1990 Honda RS125 for Sale
Honda December 13, 2016 posted by

Lightweight Racer: 1998 Honda RS250R for Sale

To the uninitiated, Honda's alpha-numeric naming convention can get confusing, and it'd be easy to mistake this RS250R for something like a garden-variety NSR250R with a set of track-day fairings. But unlike the road-legal, race-replica NSR250R, the RS250R was a production race-bike, a Grand Prix machine in miniature. With the fairings removed, the elegant simplicity of this lightweight machine is clearly visible.

It’s absolutely not a learner bike, or a practical track-day ride: it’s a pure GP racing motorcycle, and needs the attention you’d expect to keep it running properly. Powered by an ever-so-slightly undersquare 54x54.5mm two-stroke v-twin that could be tuned to snarl out over 90hp, the complete package weighed 223lbs dry, which should make loading it back into your van or pickup at the end of the day much easier than even your average 600cc sportbike.

Bikes up until 1993 used a 90° v-twin, but this later example uses a redesigned 75° unit, presumably because it is more compact, and the increased vibrations caused by the imperfect primary balance would be of limited concern for a racebike, especially considering the minimal mass of the tiny pistons and rods.

From the original eBay listing: 1998 Honda RS250R for Sale

Honda RS250R NX5 98, Most of you know what your looking at, for those that don't: this is a rare factory GP bike for racing use only, It is NOT street legal! Not recommended for the novice racer or trackday guys either, these 250 GP bikes reward talent and punish mistakes. Very sorted and capable machine with all standard equipment.

One sprint race in '13 on full engine and chassis rebuild. Rebuilt and rechecked this fall 2016. We went through the bike and installed new Pirelli slicks (green) on freshly powder coated wheels, new OEM clutch, new silicone hose kit, rings, RK chain, refinished pipes and professionally painted bodywork with new wind screen. Needs nothing except a discerning owner. Some spares are available separately.
This was Brian Kcraget's B bike, Brian last raced this machine and WON on it in 2013 (see podium pic). Has been stored properly since and not used.
So obviously, titling and registration issues are irrelevant here, since this a pure race bike. The $12,000 Buy It Now price for this example will seem steep if you're expecting 250CBR or even NSR250R prices. But keep in mind that, while the displacement may be small, the level of performance and the quantity Honda race-spec parts will be high, although this example doesn't include any spares, which is something to consider if you're planning to use it regularly. It's pretty bare-bones, but a very cool and functional tool for going fast and will likely still provide serious thrills for a skilled rider.
Lightweight Racer: 1998 Honda RS250R for Sale
Ducati June 22, 2016 posted by

Sweet Sixteen: 2008 Ducati Desmosedici D16RR for Sale

2008 Ducati Desmo R Side

As is always the case with exotic machinery, a simple truth-in-advertising name sounds so much better in Italian… Oooooh. A Maserati Quattroporte… That sounds so sexy. Wait, it just means "four doors"? You’re saying that the name of that four-door Maserati is “Maserati four-door”? The same thing is true for Ducati’s GP6-based Desmosedici D16RR road bike: the name literally means “desmodromic sixteen” and refers to the number of valves in the V4 engine’s Desmo heads… maybe not as sexy as naming your motorcycle after a famous race victory, but it has a pragmatic quality that suits a detuned race bike, with the bonus that most folks just think it sounds cool.

2008 Ducati Desmo L Side Rear

Race-replicas clog up eBay every day, but most are just graphics jobs on the fairing of an ordinary roadbike, or homologation specials designed to allow certain bikes or just specific parts to be used in various race classes. But the D16RR is something else entirely, a one-of-a-kind machine that shares almost no parts with any production Ducati, a detuned MotoGP prototype, fitted with lights. Technically, that’s a bit of an exaggeration, as it’s not like the road bike's engine parts are actually interchangeable with the race bike’s…  And there are plenty of other changes as well. For example, it’s not a dry-sump engine like the race bikes, but it does have gear-driven cams and a “Twin-Pulse” firing order that gave the bike something closer to the Ducati’s signature v-twin growl…

2008 Ducati Desmo R Side Front

But honestly, the fact that it’s not really a detuned racebike almost makes it more impressive considering the mere 1,500 built, since the design brief for this engine was basically “make a brand new engine that is as much like the race engine as is practical, but shares no parts with it.”  It is an utterly impractical motorcycle, a barely-tamed 989cc V4 monster that cranks out nearly 200hp at the crank, with absolutely top-shelf suspension at the front and rear. A Desmosedici cost over $70,000 new and, although they’re currently trading for much less, you’d better be prepared for very expensive maintenance costs down the line. Does your local shop even stock tires to fit that 16" rear wheel?

2008 Ducati Desmo Belly Pan

This example has been used a bit, although miles are still extremely low, and it is fitted with one of the accessory Ducati Performance exhausts that were available for the bike and gave it a more authentic style than the stock part, increased noise, and a nice hole in the bellypan.

From the original eBay listing: 2008 Ducati Desmosedici for Sale

This is a pre-owned 2008 Ducati Desmosedici. This bike has 4300 miles and has the GP Exhaust installed. Overall condition of the bike is good, it has been ridden so it has some rock chips in the lower fairing, small scratch in the swingarm and a few minor small cosmetic imperfections. Nothing wrong mechanically and nothing bad cosmetically, normal 4300 mile condition, it has never been down. Tires still have some life but the bike will come with a brand new set. This bike comes with: bike stand, cover, 2 keys, owners manual, new set of OEM tires. It does not have the complete owners manual, just the main one. It does not have the plaque, stock or race exhaust. Only the parts that are listed.

2008 Ducati Desmo Tank

Bidding is very active and up north of $35,000.00, a bargain price for a Desmo. The missing bits might put off collectors but, if the price stays low, someone’s getting a good deal. Personally, I’d be happy with the very cool GP exhaust, since the original configuration always seemed weird to me: why does it need to exit out the top of the tail section? Okay, I get it: you want to keep the brake light and signals looking conventional. But wouldn’t it make more sense for a straight shot out the tail, and build some sort of LED bit around it or suspended beneath it, like on the Benelli TnT? Especially since that would look even more racebike-y?

2008 Ducati Desmo Tail

In any event, until the Honda RCV213 came along, this was the closest bike fans could get to a road-legal GP bike and that always seems to get the attention of collectors. They sound hellacious, look like nothing else on the road even ten years on, and offer up repair and maintenance bills that will definitely remind you that you own a thoroughbred exotic…


2008 Ducati Desmo L Side

Sweet Sixteen: 2008 Ducati Desmosedici D16RR for Sale