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Yamaha May 8, 2019 posted by

Too Little or Just Enough? 1990 Yamaha FZR400 for Sale

The Yamaha’s R1M’s crossplane crank inline four makes 197 claimed horsepower. The brand-new, heavily revised BMW S1000RR supposedly makes 205. The new Ducati Panigale V4R? 221 horsepower. Where will it end? These bikes are technological marvels, with relatively minimal mass, power that would trump a world superbike machine of just a few years ago, and the electronics required to keep relatively novice pilots from launching themselves into next week when they sneeze and open the throttle a bit more than intended. But does that make these machines more fun? How much power can you really use on the road, and is anything more than 100hp really just gilding the lily?  Or did we hit “peak fun” with bikes like this 1990 Yamaha FZR400U?

On paper, pure performance is no contest, if that’s your definition of “fun.” The 399cc inline four that motivated the FZR400 was certainly much higher spec than you’d normally expect from a bike this size, and featured liquid-cooling, dual overhead cams, and sixteen valves. Unfortunately, there’s no replacement for displacement, and it all adds up to a claimed 64hp. The aluminum Deltabox frame helps reduce mass and the resulting 410 wet weight is light, but not shockingly so. Brakes are single-piston, but at least there are two of them up front.

But in spite of the fairly bland power-to-weight, the FZR was endowed with that magical agility possessed by the very best sportbikes. Handling certainly was a strong point for the FZR400, and these are famously competent sportbikes, although they often get overshadowed by Honda’s much more exotic VFR400R. That should be no surprise as, in many markets, the 400cc class was considered “middleweight” and was hotly contested on track and in showrooms. In the US, 400cc was definitely “entry-level” territory, and most companies gave only a half-hearted effort in selling their wares here: only the Honda CB-1 that shared an engine with the CBR400 and the Yamaha FZR400 made it here officially

As you can see from the pictures, it appears to be in very original condition, although the stalk-mount adapter for the left front turn signal is missing, and there’s plenty of surface corrosion and a few minor scuffs, as described by the seller below. The front calipers also look very freshly painted, which suggests regular maintenance of the parts that really matter.

From the original eBay listing: 1990 Yamaha FZR400U for Sale

This is a used 1989 Yamaha FZR400 with a clear title and very low miles, 28,375 mi. I don’t ride this, nor is it registered, so the mileage will not change. Selling to make space in my garage. I am the second owner of this ‘89 FZR400, it has spent the last 8 years in a climate controlled storage unit due to me being deployed. I had the fuel system flushed and the bike was serviced this past month, in addition it had a new battery installed. The tires are not dry rotten so I didn’t have them replaced. I can provide a video of the bike being started if you so desire. Being that it is a carburated model it takes a bit of choke to get it turned over. Now on to the pictures. As you can see there is some battle damage from a few different incidents. Since I have had it there was no use on it so the few chips and scrapes were done by the previous owner. There is some pitting on the forks and other aluminum bits. I didn’t see any cracks in the plastic, however keep in mind this has the OEM plastics on it. An oil change has been done recently,11Mar18, with Motul 5100 and K&N oil filter. Belly pan has some light scrapes and some distortion from the exhaust. This can be seen the photos. The heat distortion is the same that my ‘90 FZR400 has, the difference being my ‘90 has 1/6 the mileage on it. I can be present if you want the bike shipped, however I am not arranging shipping. I am not in a hurry to see this so, any low-ball offers will not be considered.

The seller refers to this as “very low miles” and, unless you’re talking about a car, I’m not sure nearly 30,000 miles qualifies. That being said, it’s not like this thing has been used as a commuter hack, so the miles wouldn’t necessarily put me off, either. Otherwise, it sounds like a solid bike, given the supposed care it’s received. After years of being the ideal budget-minded track or canyon ripper, these are starting to gain traction as collectibles. Certainly, they’re among the best-looking bikes of the era, with the classic Yamaha colors, twin headlamps, and chunky aluminum frame. Starting bid is $5,799.00 with no takers as yet. Prices seem to be on the rise for these, but the seller may be jumping the gun here and I’d say a $5,799.00 asking price is probably still a bit optimistic.

-tad

Too Little or Just Enough? 1990 Yamaha FZR400 for Sale
Yamaha February 25, 2016 posted by

One for street, one for track:
1989 & 1990 Yamaha FZR1000’s

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Back at the end of the 1980’s Yamaha was achieving success across its entire lineup of sportbikes with the FZR400, FZR750 (also known as the OW01) and at the top, the FZR1000.  The FZR1000 was ruling the litre class not due its having the most powerful engine or the best handling but by having the best overall balance.  How good was the FZR1000?  Let me put it this way; the FZR1000 was crowned “bike of the decade” by Cycle World and has been referenced as the most complete sportbike of its generation.

While the FZR did not have the most powerful engine of the late 1980’s litre bikes, it did have one significant advantage over its rivals; the EXUP system.  EXUP (Exhaust Ultimate Power value) was a system that adjusted the header opening based on RPM via an ECU-controlled valve.  EXUP helped to resolve one of the problems with late 1980’s litre bikes; narrow powerbands.  The system significantly widened/smoothed out the powerband which made the big Fizzer throttle response immediate no matter what the speed.  NOTE:  Similar setups were eventually launched by the competitors including Suzuki and Honda.

An excellent explanation of the EXUP system can be found via this link.

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Note:  This pic is not from either of the bikes in this auction

For this listing, the seller has two FZR 1000’s available via an estate sale, with both having had the same previous owner.

Here is the first one, a 1989 in the OEM white/red/blue that looks to be in excellent condition.

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1989 Yamaha FZR 1000 (street version) on ebay

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Condition for this one looks to be super clean but not completely OEM.  Aftermarket items I have noticed include different mirrors, flush mounted front turn signals, a supertrapp exhaust and the rear wheels have been upgraded to Performance Machine units.  Overall the bike looks to be immaculate and given the previous owners reputation for bike care, the bike seems to be in outstanding condition.

Here is what the seller has to say:

From the estate of aerospace engineer & club road racer David Molitor, known for the meticulous care of his street and racing bikes. This is Molitor’s street FZR1000.  

Showing less than 14,000 well-kept miles, it has just been treated to a ‘make-run’ consisting of a carb clean, new sparkplugs & fresh battery. Compression on all cylinders was 210-215 psi and the engine recorded 127.8 hp at the rear wheel on Jordan’s dyno-meter.

It has to be one of the cleanest, best-sorted FZR1000s around. Among the bike’s features are a 4-into-1 SuperTrapp exhaust system and a Yamaha OW factory race kit ignition module

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Here is the second one, a 1990 that is setup for the track.

1990 FZR 1000 setup for the track

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Condition for this one isn’t as nice as the street version, with some rust apparent on the steel brake rotors and the rear chain. As with all race bikes, condition is a bit a gamble and the pictures have the odometer obscured which is a concern. Also based on the pictures tires will need to be replaced.

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On the plus side, according to the seller the bike has covered less than an estimated 5000 miles and has a host of upgrades. Overall the bike seems to be in good condition for a 26 year old race bike.

Here is what the seller has to say:

Has just been treated to a ‘make-run’ at Jordan Engineering, consisting of a carb clean, new sparkplugs & fresh battery. Compression on all cylinders was 210-215 psi and the engine recorded an impressive 151 hp at the rear wheel on Jordan’s dynamometer (see pic attached to auction). Among the bike’s many features:

  • Carillo connecting rods
  • Upgraded 6-speed transmission
  • Keihin FCR41mm carburetors with individual K&N filters
  • Yoshimura exhaust system
  • Yoshimura throttle
  • Tecnomagnesio rims
  • Performance Machine four-piston front brake calipers
  • Performance Machine cast-iron rotors (spare stainless rotors included in sale)
  • Ohlins shock with remote reservoir
  • Attack Racing rearsets
  • Carbon-fiber front fender

Now we come to the big question (s):  What are these two big Fizzer’s worth?  Well first of all, the street version will likely cost more than the track version simply by the fact that it hasn’t been raced and there will be less worries about the engine condition.   Previous posts on RSBFS of the 1989 FZR1000 seem to show prices climbing in the last few years, with pristine and complete 1st year EXUP versions generating prices of about $6,000 USD.  Since this one isn’t completely OEM, I would expect the price to be a bit lower, perhaps around $4,500-$5,000 USD?

As for the race bike, thats a bit tougher to guess a price on.  The claimed low mileage and care of ownership evidenced by bike #1 are pluses but rust, tire condition and generally being a bike for trashing on the track go against it.  I think this one will go a bit less than bike #1, maybe $3,500-$4,000 USD.

-Marty/Dallaslavowner

One for street, one for track: </br>1989 & 1990 Yamaha FZR1000’s