Posts by tag: Gran prix

Honda March 1, 2011 posted by

1993 Honda RS125 NF4 Described As “Museum Quality”

This is a fantastic looking RS125, Castrol replica!

Bike:  1993 Honda RS125

Miles:  0 (Since rebuild)

Price:  $5,500USD

Location:  Winter Haven, Florida

The seller states that this RS was completely restored and rebuilt by Rising Sun Cycles–a very prominent name in the U.S. two-stroke GP bike segment.  The paint for this bike, alone, came in at $4,500–ouch!  Anyway, this is a fantastic looking RS in, what looks to be, a Castrol scheme very similar to what Joey Dunlop ran.

The auction also includes:

Bike also comes with a complete roller, minus tank. There is also two sets of new bodywork and a ton of other spares, plus some new rains.

I have 2 complete extra motors, 1 new, 1 with time on it.

If you’re still reading this, you’ve probably started to reconsider your original assumptions after seeing the asking price.  The Museum Quality RS also comes with $1.2K-1.5k worth of spares, possibly more.  That being said, is the main bike shown here worth the remaining $4k?  Well, it would be very difficult to replicate the restored bike using the $1.5k and an additional $2.5k:  knowing what parts & labor would add up to at RSC combined with the purported paint cost.  If you’re in love with the NF4 RS125, or would simply like a living room piece and a track bike (with a little work) for the price of an older NX4 RS125; I’d say this auction should absolutely be considered.  The asking price is a bit startling, but with the whole picture and some math, it doesn’t sound that bad at all.  See this fantastic looking RS on eBay .

AG

Honda January 21, 2011 posted by

A Few, Very Rare, Race Bikes For Sale; Ex Roberts & Aoki

These three authentic race bikes are very special in their historical value, for winning and for not!

First Up:

Bike:  1999 Honda CBR900RR Erion Racing; Ex Kurtis Roberts

Location:  California

Price:  POR

The seller, RMD Motors, is sparse on the details, but it should be obvious what you’re looking at being that this bike is said to be authentic.  They do state that the bike produces 200hp at the rear wheel, comes with nothing other than what is in the photos (Read: No spares)–but that does include Kurtis’ actual leathers.

The AMA Formula Xtreme series is intended for production bikes, with some, but not many, rules on what parts of the bike you can exchange for aftermarket parts.  The intent of Formula Xtreme is to allow as many types of motorcycles to compete, anything from inline-fours to air-cooled V-twins.  Formula Xtreme racing is usually one of the more competitive and entertaining races of an AMA weekend; Many veterans such as Eric Bostrom, Jake Zemke, Josh Hayes, Nicky Hayden and Kurtis Roberts among others have cut their teeth in Formula Xtreme.

Erion Racing has continued to be a prominent name in Honda AMA racing with even a special Erion Racing edition CBR929RR released for the U.S. market by the manufacturer.  For 1999, Erion Racing was the winner of the Formula Xtreme championship with another title in 2000.  I’m not adept on the Formula Xtreme rules for 1999, but it’s obvious looking at the bike what some of it’s features are:  Race bodywork with mounts, analog tach’,  race fuel tank, larger radiator, Erion SS/Carbon full exhaust system, aftermarket triple clamps, Ohlins forks & rear shock, Brembo calipers, Marchesini wheels and I’m sure much more that I didn’t notice!  This is a chance to own a fantastic looking, legitimate, race bike with a championship under it’s belt.  I’m unaware how many races this particular bike won, I’m not sure about the 900 designation as this should be a 919 or 929 based on the year, but you still have a serious piece of AMA history regardless and I’m sure RMD would be happy to answer your questions.

See this Erion CBR900RR on RMD’s website here.

Next Up:

Bike:  2002 Kenny Roberts Proton KR3; Ex Nobuatsu Aoki

Location:  California

Price:  POR

As you may know, 2002 was the last year for two-strokes in MotoGP.  Two-strokes had their last hurrah in 2001, but couldn’t overcome the 490cc deficit they had to the four-strokes in 2002 and were finally obsolete–How you may feel about this is up for debate.  Regardless, Proton KR racing had a respectable finish in the 2001 championship with Nobuatsu Aoki & Jeremy Mcwilliams finishing 12th & 14th in the championship, respectively.  The disadvantages for the privateer team of Proton KR were immense and they didn’t receive much help from their V-3 format.  The four cylinder bikes of 500gp had the most tractable power delivery–If it’s possible to say that for a GP two-stroke–while also having the most power.  As an example, the NSR500v was a V-Twin example of Honda’s factory NSR500 designed for privateers and had nowhere near the power of the factory bike.  The theory was that the two and three cylinder machines had a lower weight and could out corner the larger bikes, in practice the two and three cylinder bikes hadn’t a chance but on a wet course or a very tight one.  The Proton KR3 debuted in 1997 and was a joint venture between legendary racer Kenny Roberts and Malaysian giant Proton.  While they may not have won any championships, or come close–and as frustrating as I imagine it was for KR–I’m sure “King” Roberts enjoyed it, I know I would have!

This example looks to be in fantastic condition.  The seller states that this bike will run and comes with a small selection of spares.  As I’m sure you can imagine, it would be no small feat to run this bike anywhere, especially when consumables are accounted for.  However, if you have the funds, ask yourself:  How many times does a 2001 500GP bike come up for sale?

See this bike on RMD’s website here.

Lastly:

Bike:  2004 Kenny Roberts Proton KRV5 XM2; Ex Kurtis Roberts

Location:  California

Price:  POR (Rumor has it $300,000)

The Proton KR KRV5 debuted in 2002 with the adoption of four-strokes.  The V5 in KRv5 denotes that this bike has a 60deg V5 arrangement and a displacement of 990cc, putting out 200hp @ 15,000rpm.  The bodywork appears to be the latter iteration of the KRV5, which is consistent with the Valencia technical inspection sticker.  For 2004, Kurtis Roberts was only able to finish twice in France and Brazil with 15th and 19th, respectively.  The bike for sale here shows a technical inspection sticker for Valencia in 2004, however Roberts never started the GP at Valencia in 2004.

So, what are you getting for your money?  As things stand right now, you’ll get a fully functioning seven year old, privateer, MotoGP bike with a minimal spares package.  This bike currently doesn’t hold the value that any of the factory bikes would and shouldn’t for a long, long time.  However, none of those factory bikes are currently available–that I’m aware of–and you’ll probably be waiting a very long time for one to pop up if you don’t already know someone who has one.

See the bike on RMD’s website here.

So, all of these bikes look to be from the same seller/collection, but which one is the one to have if you can only choose one?  Obviously, the most expensive will always be one of the Proton KR bikes, with a large gap back to the CBR.  My money says that the 2002 Proton KR3 will always be the most valuable bike of the three; The most important influence being that it is one of the last two-stroke 500GP/MotoGP bikes to ever be produced–privateer or otherwise.  The 2004 KRV5 will always be a interim MotoGP bike and if the rules are again revised to allow 1000cc bikes, it won’t even have a displacement draw.  The CBR is a National Championship bike, even if it’s only in Formula Xtreme, and that kind of provenance doesn’t come everyday.

There are two kinds of collectors these bikes are for:  One who has a decent amount of money to spend on a collector bike, and someone who has obscene amounts of money for a collector bike.  The Proton’s are obviously the expensive bikes with the Erion CBR checking the affordable box.  Both of the MotoGP bikes have parts that you’re never going to be able to purchase from any retailer, and I’m sure the CBR has some good HRC bits on it too.  I wouldn’t be ashamed to have any of these three bikes, but I’d absolutely love to have a final year Grand Prix two-stroke.  If nothing else, spend a little time to enjoy the photos!

AG

Honda December 14, 2010 posted by

Stocking Stuffer: 1977 Honda MT125R

For sale: 1977 Honda MT125R completely original!

How is this for a great little Christmas present? An all original 1977 Honda MT125R race bike in exceptional shape! Sold directly by Honda via their dealer network, the MT125R was produced by Honda Racing Service Center (RSC) and made available to the general public. This was, for all intents and purposes, a true GP roadracer intended for closed-course competition. Randy Mamola got his start on a bike very much like this one.

Honda built this bike by borrowing heavily from the parts bin. Many pieces on the roadracer originated from the MT125 Elsinore dual-purpose bike. The engine is an air-cooled, single-cylinder two-stroke, coupled to a six-speed transmission. Horsepower was purported to be around 26. Just check out those tiny clip-ons!

From the seller:
I am offering for sale my 1977 Honda MT125R racing bike. This machine is completely original and does not appear to have ever been raced.

The MT125R is a factory produced race bike that draws from the very successful Elsinore CR125M motor crosser combining a modified CR engine with a unique frame, front fork assembly and a one-off faring tank and seat unit. The MTRs were manufactured for two years and used for a one make/model race series sponsored by Honda which ran in America and Europe. Many racers started their careers on MTRs.

This machine is as new! It has all of the factory items except the original stand. Included is the original MTR tachometer, mechanical front disc brake system and some spares including sprockets, jetting and copies of the factory literature. It incorporates the original MTR engine with a 34mm Mikuni carburetor, ultra close ratio gearbox and MTR pipe. The wheels have 1.60 DID rims with the factory Dunlop KR73/76 tires.

The bike was purchased in the condition you see it in now. When I got it, I checked the compression, started it up, rode it around the block and put it away. It runs perfectly. It is ready to race with the exception of needing new tires (the original tires are perfect for showing) and drilling/safety wiring all of the bolts. Or you can just place it in your shop or den and appreciate this beautiful little Honda factory racer as is.

This excerpt from Cycle World circa 1978 really tells what riding one of these bikes is all about. And with the New Year just around the corner, this would be the perfect way to set yourself straight with a resolution for more track days!

There is more information and pictures in the auction ad. The price, while higher than the MSRP when new in 1977 (which was just under $2k), seems entirely reasonable given the condition and the vintage of the bike. Your chance to own this neat little piece of Honda racing history is

MI

Classic Sport Bikes For Sale September 29, 2010 posted by

1976 Yamaha TZ750C Project on eBay

A genuine TZ750 on eBay!

Bike:  1976 Yamaha TZ750C

Location:  Franklin, Michigan

Mileage:  TMU, engine is a later S/N replacement.

I’ll let the seller state the description so I don’t get anything wrong:

1976 Yamaha TZ750C Road Racer: Frame No. 409 – 100101, Engine No. 409 – 200224.HISTORY: I purchased the Yamaha in 1990. No other known history.

ORIGINALITY: The frame number is the first of the 1976 TZ750C production run. It is estimated that 40 machines were built. The engine number indicates that it is dated 1979. The left and right side cylinder barrels each have “347cc 40900” embossed at the rear. The fairing and screen are new Mead Speed parts. The swing arm has been reinforced, but has a very similar appearance to original. The wheel rims are stamped “Daido Japan”. The tires are Continental 3.25 H 18 RB2 (front) & Goodyear Eagle Drag Racer 25 x 7.0 x 18 (rear). The kill switch is missing, but the kill switch pigtail is original and attached to the CDI Controller Box. (2) tiny black tie wraps are used to mount the water temp gauge in place of the original clips. Some of the metric fasteners are not original Yamaha parts. All other parts are original Yamaha. Restoration has been carried out using the pages from the parts manual for reference.

CONDITION: The fairing and all black parts have been professionally painted. The screen to fairing attachment is adequate, but not excellent. The fuel tank, seat and front fender have the original paint. The tank has a tiny surface scratch on the left side and a ding and scratch mark on the right side, as shown in the pictures. These parts have been intentionally left unrestored to retain their originality. All other parts are excellent, but not all have a museum quality finish.

COMMENTS:
1) The mileage is unknown and the listed mileage is an approximation.
2) I have never had the engine running.
3) Engine compression, gear selection and clutch operation are normal. During storage, the cylinder bores were oiled and the transmission fluid was installed.
4) The transmission and brake fluids have recently been drained.
5) Many of the fasteners have not been correctly torqued and the machine is not suitable for immediate use.
6) The Yamaha does not have a title.

If you like sportbikes, and I assume you do, the TZ750 is pretty much a to-die-for bike and probably even more so than a Black Shadow depending on your generation.  The TZ750 debuted in 1975, following the TZ700, with cantilever rear suspension and put out near 140hp giving it a top speed of over 185mph.

If a TZ750 doesn’t get your blood flowing, this probably isn’t a hobby for you.  Read a fantastic write up of a, California, street titled TZ750 from 1979 here.

This example for sale has obviously been a display piece and would hold it’s value nicely if you decided to continue letting it sit in your living room.  However, this bike has enough influence to possibly make you make, perceived, rash decisions and cash out retirement funds just to be able to head out to the garage and listen to it.  Drool over it on eBay .

AG

Consider these other Yamaha’s:

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Honda June 20, 2010 posted by

1996 Honda RS125 (NX4) On eBay

A nice looking NX4 RS125 with a good spares package that is ready to go!

Bike:  1996 Honda RS125

Price:  Currently on eBay for $3,000 with two days remaining and the reserve has not been met.

Location:  Great Falls, Virginia

Mileage:  200 miles on top-end

The spares for this bike mainly consist of the small things that would eat you up buying piece by piece (Jets, needles, sprockets, etc.) but it also comes with some nice items such as warmers, tires, and extra cases.  Here is a full list:

Engine Parts:

Used case with crank

New/barely used cylinder (don’t remember – it’s flawless)

Main Jets 150, 152, 155, 158, 160, 168, 170, 172, 175, 2x 178, 180, 185, 188, 190, 192, 195, 198, 200

Pilot jets: 45, 48, 2x 50

Full set of needles:  1468J, 1469J, 1371J, 1269J,1270N, 1368J, 1365J, 1271N, 1370J…too many to type

Used Crank

7 used pistons

New and used rings

Reeds

Base gaskets: 0.4, 2x 0.5, 0.6

Engine case cover gasket

O-rings

Chassis:

Front sprockets: 14, 2x 15, 2x 16, 17

Rear sprockets: 34, 35, 36, 4x 37, 38, 39, 40, 41

Stock steering damper

Foot pegs

Brake and shift levers

Clutch cable

Coil

Stock silencer

Brake pads

Fairing stays

Other good stuff:

Graves tire warmers front/rear

Set of rain tires

2-stroke oil

Many spare fasteners

I wouldn’t use the used pistons and used crank as the risk wouldn’t be worth it, but that’s just me.  This bike seems ready to go and will compete with all the other RS125’s because they haven’t changed much since ’95.  If you’d like a little 125 this is worth considering, it’ll be interesting to see what the reserve on it is.  .

AG

Quick Spot June 13, 2010 posted by

1977 Yamaha TZ250 Restoration Project In Virgina

This is a TZ250D in Virgina that needs  to be rescued!

Bike: 1977 Yamaha TZ250D

Price:  $3,500 USD

Location:  Roanoke, Virgina

The seller only states that this bike last raced in the late ’80’s and has been sitting since.  Looking at the photos it looks to be in quite good shape–pictures can be deceiving–and just might need a mechanical restoration if you’d like to keep the original look.  These bikes were very competitive in the ’70’s and still make great vintage machines with good parts availability if you know where to look.  See the bike on Craigslist here.

AG