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Honda May 13, 2021 posted by

Operational – 2001 Honda RVT1000R / RC51

Honda studied the V-twin superbike rulebook carefully, and took the RC51 right to the podium.  Today’s example has seen under 1,000 miles per year, and looks excellent.

2001 Honda RVT1000R / RC51 for sale on eBay

The chassis department took quite a bit of the workload on the RC51, creating a massive-looking twin spar alloy affair, which used the V-twin as a stiffener and worked ram-air ports around the steering head.  The engine designers penned a 90-degree vee slightly more oversquare than the competition, and claimed thirteen more hp at 136.  PGM_FI electronics controlled two injectors per cylinder, and cams were gear driven.  Showa brought their best adjustable suspension to the program, and a steering damper was not required.  With classic dual exhausts cruising by the heavily braced swingarm, running gear was rounded out by Nissin brakes and 17-inch wheels.  The full fairing had the latest cat’s eye headlights and side radiators to reduce frontal area.

This Texan RC51 has some nice mods – conformal turn signals, well done frame sliders, Sargent seat, and an interesting 2-1-2 exhaust.  And the compulsory rear fender elimination.  Super clean with just short of 19,000 miles, decent tires and seemingly no paintwork.  Comments from the eBay auction:

A surviving example of the Honda’s racing heritage in the Superbike World Championship. It’s an absolute blast to ride with its V-Twin liquid cooled motor. While this bike has been enjoyed it is still in great shape and will remain a collectable item seen by many for years to come. This bike does have a few after market accessories. It has the under tail with led brake lights with integrated turn signals and a license plate light to pass your state’s inspection. While maintaining the factory look, a set of frame sliders were installed. The factory exhaust was replaced with a set of high rise exhaust on one side that was developed by Honda’s racing team. Bike has been recently detailed and is fully operational and ready to be enjoyed.

The red and even redder bikes traded championships until Honda, as they regularly do in competition situations, decided they’d proved their point and pooled their resources for the next conquest.  The RC51 stayed in production until 1996 and is quietly making its way toward legend.  Several bidders are interested in this one, though the reserve might be double the current bid.  Looking forward  to the last half hour !

-donn

 


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Yamaha May 12, 2021 posted by

CA Interloper: 1991 Yamaha TZR250

In the wilds of Northern California lurks a menacing, gray market two stroke. Titled in Vermont, wearing some interesting new bodywork that appears to be the basis for the black/red Lucky Strike livery and looking as if it has enjoyed the trip to get to this place in its life, the bike shows some mods and some wear – both to be expected given the time since new. The TZR250 has gone through a wide range of engine configurations during the model run, initially released in 1986 as a rather conventional parallel twin. The parallel twin arrangement was retained for the next evolution, however the cylinders were reversed to allow for better packaging for racing. It was not until 1991 that Yamaha created the 90 degree v-twin seen here.

1991 Yamaha TZR250 for sale on eBay

From the seller:
This is the best of the TZR’s, the 3XV. The V twin model for the narrowest possible motor and weight distribution, it is basically a race bike for the street. It starts after a few kicks cold, a couple when warm and runs great when in the rpm’s just like any two stroke. New body kit looks great (what looks like scratches/blemishes is the reflection of a car parked next to it).

More from the seller:
Has oil injection, so no need to mix 2 stroke oil in gas.

9723 KM on odometer (6040 miles)

Your chance to own a piece of Yamaha 2 stroke history that you can ride!

Things to note: Body kit is new. Battery is new. Temperature gauge does not work. Has LED headlight and heated grips. Gas tank has a dent on the top, it looks like a bar of some sort fell on it. You will not want to stop riding it. This is what the RZ350 should have been.

The TZR250 came not only in a variety of engine configurations, but also a variety of sporting configurations – R, RS,RSR,SP, and SPR are all part of the alphabet soup that denoted states of power and components. It is unclear exactly what we are looking at here, and without a VIN listed there is no lookup possible. The seller notes heated handgrips (wasn’t familiar with that as an option), and that the temp gauge is inop; the latter is pretty important to the care and feeding of a high-strung two stroke. That being said, this is indeed a rare smoker in the United States, much less the restrictive State of California. Prospective buyers should note that while the bike is in CA, it is not CA plated, meaning there may be difficulty if attempting to register it in the Golden State. Check out all of the details here, and Good Luck!!

MI


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Honda May 11, 2021 posted by

Add Blue Here – 1984 Honda VF1000F Interceptor

Honda introduced a V4 superbike just a year after the 750’s intro, but then made significant changes and didn’t refer to it as an Interceptor in 1985, making the ’84 a rarity.  Here’s an Ohio example which has low miles and looks quite good.

1984 Honda VF1000F Interceptor for sale on eBay

Honda bored and stroked their 750cc engine, pressed steel liners in and claimed 122 hp.  The four overhead cams were chain-driven, and torque was such that a five-speed trans was considered a better choice than six lighter gears.  The double basket chassis was crafted of steel tubing, with selectable adjustments on the air forks and Pro-Link monoshock.  Triple 276mm disks seem undersized for a liter these days, but not in 1984.  The bodywork had a nice flow accented by a racy engine scoop.

This Interceptor looks very clean, and seems to have just a pair of SuperTrapps as mods.  The white fuel cap pretty much confirms a re-paint, but the striping is faithful to the original, and even the “1000” on the white! seat is accurate.  It wouldn’t take much to push this VF1000F over the goal line – add the blue field on the tank and sidecovers, find a better license plate bracket, refinish the forks and black out the mufflers.  Might have to sacrifice that bright seat for a stock cover.  Comments from the eBay auction:

With title and only 14,207 miles. This is one of the coolest and fun bikes Honda ever made. This 1000F Interceptor was made in only 1984 before it became the 1000R which makes it very rare. Bike runs and rides great and is fast. Anyone whoever rode one will tell tell you how fun and cool sounding they are. It has  very nice pearl paint on it. New rear tire and the front is like new. Everything works like it should.

The compact V4 could do just about anything, except repeal the law of gravity.  Quite a few of the early engines succumbed to a cam oiling design deficiency, and Honda re-designed the cam drive with gears in 1985.  But at this point a survivor is unlikely to be affected.  The succeeding VF1000R had an endurance racer’s full fairing, but hid the big V4 and was no longer an Interceptor.  This one should give a lot of capability for the buck, and marks an interesting page in Honda history.

-donn


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Ducati May 10, 2021 posted by

Quattordici – 1990 Ducati 851 Strada

What a wild spring time we are having here at RSBFS! There appears to be a nearly inexhaustible supply of rare Ducati 851 examples in all different conditions and price points. We’ve posted so many of these lately that I’m tempted to cut and paste the historic details on the model from earlier posts, but I’ll spare you the lazy journalism. These bikes are cool enough to talk about over and over and over again. So without furthering any ado, let’s dive into this 1990 Ducati 851.

1990 Ducati 851 Strada for sale on eBay

The 851 is an iconic model simply because it began the lineage of the modern day Ducati Superbike. From the early days of the singles, through the era of the bevels, right into the Pantah era, Ducatis were defined by the 2-valve desmo actuation and for being air cooled (simple and light). The 851 threw out all off that and more by plonking a unique 4-valve desmo head (based on a 1970s University thesis, and with some help from Cosworth) atop a new barrel structure that was liquid cooled, allowing for tighter tolerances and far more heat dissipation. These two elements were maximized via the use of additional new technology – fuel injection. The result was 105 HP (power increased over the years) at higher RPMs than previous models, and with a willing chassis and good aero the 851 was born. And with it, the ground work for more than a decade of dominance in WSBK.

From the seller:
1990 851
Vin ZDM1HB6R2LB001226
Engine HB6L001286

Beautiful Ducati 851

Barely ridden since I got it a few years ago.
Idled often and kept on battery tender.
New battery
Fresh gas
Sorry no service history other than the gentleman I bought it from few years ago had his mechanic go through it thoroughly.
Most ducati folks like to do their own maintenance as it’s fairly easy so you’d probably want to do fluids, look at belts, tires, chain.
Fires right up, idles great, drives, shifts, brakes, lights work… all good! Just went for a quick ride, love this bike but downsizing and this one needs a new home with someone to ride it more!

Only thing I notice is the rear brake light does not brighten when depressing the rear brake pedal. Probably an easy fix. The front brake lever does activate the brake light.

No mirrors on this bike but I may have an extra set from a 900ss I have. Negotiable on including these.
Bike has usual nicks and scratches, but no dents or dings on tank. Note the bottom section of one fairing has a spot that is chipped/scratched. Zoom in on the pic. Not noticeable when fairing is on bike. Bike could use a good cleaning. I’ve always kept indoors.

Please look at pics and examine closely. I’m happy to chat or take closer up pics of anything.

Today’s model is the Strada – meaning street. This is the lowest spec of the 851 class, not to damn it with faint praise. It is simply the most comment variant, which includes a passenger pillion and associated hardware. In fact, all the 851 examples posted on RSBFS in the last month have been the Strada edition. This particular bike has higher mileage than its posted peers (21,000+ claimed), and like most 30 year old motorcycles it has experienced some mods and mishaps. On the mods front I spy a tinted windscreen and non-factory handgrips. More concerning is the lack of mirrors (and why). The rest of the bike looks presentable and the plastics appear to be in good shape, although there is some weathering of the black parts such as the forks, top clamp, and engine cases.

The seller notes that this bike has not been ridden much as of late, and there is a lack of service records. The oil in the sight glass does appear dark and in need of a change, but color is rarely an accurate indicator. Belts should be done as much as for time as miles, and would be high on my list of to-dos. While this is a doable chore for the home mechanic, it is a bit more involved than on your average 2-valve Ducati thanks to the extra systems in the way. Valve adjustments can also be done by the home mechanic, but you will need tools specific for retrieving and measuring the shims, as well as a way to obtain the necessary-sized shims to complete the job. This one is being offered as a Buy It Now of $12,500, with the seller open to offers. That is a strong price considering some of the others that we have seen recently, but the good news is that the healthy supply allows for some shopping around. Check out all of the details here, and Good Luck!!

MI


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BMW May 8, 2021 posted by

By A Knockout: 2003 BMW R1100S Boxer Cup Replika

Staid and steady BMW sought to shed their stodgy image by featuring their new R1100S in a one-make pro-race series. Part race of champions, part senior legends tour, the the BMW Boxer Cup produced some remarkable racing as a support series for major events (such as GP racing events). With skilled and experienced pilots aboard identical motorcycles, competition was close and fierce; full of the grinding of cylinder heads and madman feats of late braking. If you can find any of these older races on the GoogleTube they are well worth a watch. The outcome of these races was a slow change of image for BMW, and was celebrated by the R1100S Boxer Cup Replika.

2003 BMW R1100S Boxer Cup Replika for sale on eBay

Primarily consisting of paint and graphics, the base of the Boxer Cup bike is the standard R1100S. Subtle changes were made fitting of the track-day nature of the machine, including upgraded Ohlins suspension, braking improvements courtesy of braided lines, and Laser under-the-seat exhaust. Handling was improved by raising the rear of the bike to quicken steering and increase ground clearance. As the cylinder heads are typically the first hard parts to touch down during spirited riding, carbon fiber valve covers and special cylinder head sliders were fitted. The belly pan is race spec and designed to hold oil should the engine decide to shed itself of its life blood. This was all topped off by Randy Mamola’s signature on the fairing, making the bike look like it is ready to high side while sitting on the side stand. There is a reportedly different engine management chip installed after the first dealer service, but there is no power difference claimed for this model.

From the seller:
This is an incredible 2003 BMW R1100S BoxerCup Replica Motorcycle !!!!!
This 2003 BMW R1100S BoxerCup Replica Motorcycle is LIKE NEW !!!!

THE HISTORY
The 2003 R1100S BoxerCup Replica Motorcycle has only 2,343 miles on it… that’s nothing for a BMW !!! The VIN is WB10432A93ZB52967. It was built in October 2002. We are proud to offer this R1100S BoxerCup Replica Motorcycle for sale here on eBay.

THE CONDITION
The overall exterior condition of the motorcycle is like new. The paint is extremely deep and very glossy. The seating shows no wear. The panels are in good shape. The motorcycle starts right up and rides fine. The Metzler tires on this BMW have a ton of tread life left. This motorcycle has a few extra carbon fiber addons. The motorcycle just had a complete service and a new battery installed. The pitbull stand, original model, and presentation kit with COA are all included.

Today’s example is a 2003 model (these were 2003 – 2005 models), has very low miles and looks to be about as perfect as you could hope. It also appears to come with all of the extra accoutrements, such as the scale model and certificate of authenticity. That is a real plus for the collector. This looks to be a No Reserve auction, which could be a bonus depending on where the interest falls. With bidding slowly climbing over the $5k mark at time of writing and a fair few number of watchers, it could be fun to see where this one goes. Check out all of the details on this gorgeous bike here, and Good Luck!!

MI


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Honda May 7, 2021 posted by

Turbo City Madman: 1984 Honda CX650 Turbo

This is a bike that really shouldn’t need any introduction to the pages of RSBFS. After all, being the self-proclaimed RSBFS turbo nerd I *know* that I’ve posted more than a few. Why? Because they are awesome in a mega-flawed sort of way that drives you to either love or hate them. And despite their totally unloved status when new, they have recently encountered a bit of a resurgence in interest – and price. Today’s 27 mile example is the poster child for the movement, although it also represents an interesting counter-point to the whole factory Turbo saga.

1984 Honda CX650 Turbo for sale on eBay

Honda was the fist to bring a turbocharged motorcycle to market as a full factory supported effort with the 1982 CX500TC (technically the Kawasaki Z1-R TC was first atmospherically enhanced motorbike, but that was not factory). That particular bike bristled with new technology that only Honda engineering could bring to the fore, including a sophisticated computerized fuel injection system to manage the complicated intake situation and ensure engine longevity. The CX650 Turbo built on that foundation by increasing displacement and compression ratio to help improve the off-boost rideability. This also greatly improved the transition from off-boost to boost (although you’ll never miss that event) and help minimize the dreaded turbo lag. In all, the CX650 was the most polished of the factory turbo entries, being the only boosted bike to benefit from a second generation of development. Sadly, that was not enough to overcome the price, the stigma, the weight and the stigma. By 1985 the turbo era was well and truly over, save for oddball collectors and enthusiasts (ahem).

From the seller:
Up for sale is a 1983 Honda CX650T motorcycle – Only 27 miles.
This was a school motorcycle – sticker shown in pictures. Because it was a school motorcycle there was never a title issued. Registration and a Bill of Sale will be the only documents provided.

We picked it up years ago – always garaged. A nice clean motorcycle. Please note some cosmetic damage to the fairing, fender, etc. I tried to take several pictures to show any imperfections. Also, I did replace the rear cowl, which is a repaint. The original cowl has a broken tab that is unseen. I am willing to include this with the sale of the motorcycle.

More from the seller:
The following has been done on the motorcycle…
The brake system has been cleaned/flushed
The master cylinder and the rear master cylinder have been cleaned and rebuilt
The fuel injection has been cleaned and checked
New plugs
New pump propeller
Oil Change
New after market fuel pump (original is still available if desired)
New windscreen

The motorcycle starts and runs. Here is a link to the youtube video – https://youtu.be/MTjRL9s4bkk

I am not a videographer…lol so I apologize in advance and hope no one gets dizzy. My intention was to show how nice the motorcycle sounds.

Not to mince words, the turbo motorcycle era was an utter commercial failure. Each of the Big Four played with the devil of boost, and every one of them was an atrocious and abysmal return on the considerable investment required. Suzuki used their experience to develop the original air/oil cooled GSX-R, Kawasaki used the opportunity to elevate the GPz to the top of the 1/4 mile time sheets, Yamaha phoned in an low-buck entry branded as a Seca, and Honda dumped a significant portion of their inventory on “technical schools” in an attempt to recoup their investment and train the next generation on Big Red products.

Todays example of the CX650 Turbo – a one year only model for 1984 (George Orwell puns notwithstanding) – is one of those previously dreaded “school” bikes. These were examples meant to train future mechanics on the complex systems of the modern motorcycle, and were never intended for consumer consumption (check out the sticker on the tank). While each had a VIN number, none were released with a title, and each of these bikes were written off as crushed, destroyed or otherwise parted out. Very recently we have started to see an influx of these school bikes as more rare than the average CX650 Turbo, which may indeed be true. It is still early days to determine the impact this may have on the collector, as Turbos are still not really considered collector bikes (yet). However the price curve is on the rise and we have seen some high water marks eclipsed in the last year or so. This one has an opening bid of a relatively high $18k, so it will be interesting to see how the market responds. Check out all of the details here, and Good Luck!!

MI


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Aprilia May 6, 2021 posted by

Featured Listing – 2012 Aprilia RSV4 Factory APRC

Aprilia designed a V-4 liter bike for 2009, and has steadily updated and improved the model.  RSBFS reader Dave has also made many upgrades to his 2012 RSV4 Factory APRC, and kept miles low.

2012 Aprilia RSV4 Factory APRC for sale

With R&D and racing departments sharing the workload, Aprilia created a thoroughly new machine, using a compact V-4, narrower than any in-line liter and the four intakes grouped in the 65-degree vee.  Thoroughly oversquare and using ride-by-wire engine management, 180 hp are claimed at 12,500 rpm.  The chassis is fabricated from aluminum stampings and castings, light and rigid with adjustable headstock and swing arm pivot.  Öhlins racing 43mm forks are up front, with their remote reservoir monoshock amidships, and adjustable steering damper up top.  Brembo supplied their monoblock calipers and 320mm rotors, matching the gold anodizing on the forged 17-inch rims.  As tantalizing as the specs are, Aprilia’s Performance Ride Control ( APRC ) is the big story, with selectable control of traction, launch, quick-shift, and wheelies.  With mid-size car horsepower in a 435-lbs package, it improves performance and safety.

Dave is in high dry Albuquerque, and though he started with a superbike that won a lot of magazine shoot-outs, found a lot of nicer components to replace the factory controls, brakes, exhaust and more.  With just 3,700 miles only minor maintenance would be expected.  Dave’s comments:

I am looking for someone who can appreciate my mods instead of blue book value and realize this is a pretty good deal. I enjoy building bikes as much as riding them. I am the second owner and the first was an old guy like me so no abuse. The bike has 3,700 original miles and a clean NM title. It has the race ECU. Bike is in Albuquerque and is worth the drive as this is the last year before all the ABS junk. Do the research and add up the retail prices to justify my asking price.

  • This bike is crying out for a gold chain but the OEM is in great shape with such low mileage.
  • The YZF-R125 mirrors offer a better view than any sport bike I’ve ever ridden. However they look like antennas! You can install the stock ones for a view of your chest even after you move your arm like you have to on most sport bikes.
  • Like new Pirelli Diablo Supercorsa tires not even scrubbed in yet.
  • The Brembo 19 RCS M/C and Ferodo XRAC pads will have you out braking Marc Marquez! Braided stainless lines are OEM on this bike. The Brembo folding levers have a great shape and don’t feel like grabbing a knife edge like the Rizomas.
  • The race ECU is necessary with a cat delete and open exhaust. A Bazzaz tune would even make it better.
  • The Sato rearsets are top quality, offer great feedback and do not get slippery when wet.
  • Digital volt meter mounted on dash.

The following parts have zero miles and are from my build:

  • Dark windscreen is by Zero Gravity stock contour.
  • Brembo 19RCS master cylinder with folding lever, matching clutch lever also.
  • Rizoma M/C cap.
  • Ferodo XRAC front pads and sintered grip rear.
  • Beautiful Sato gold rearsets with black pegs and silver collars.
  • Light Tech gold chain adjusters and spools.
  • Sato Racing gold bar ends.
  • GiaMoto 12 point titanium engraved axle nuts.
  • CBE top triple clamp and sprocket cover.
  • Competition Werkes integrated clear lens tail light with stainless fender eliminator.
  • 15/44 gearing.
  • Bike has red and black Rizoma gas cap, also stock cap included.
  • YZF-R125 carbon mirrors. Running light to turn signal conversion.
  • SC project CRT exhaust.
  • Sato racing rear master cylinder cap.
  • R&G exhaust hanger plates.
  • Battery Tender lithium battery.
  • Digital volt meter, putting out 14 volts at idle. Updated regulator/rectifier.
  • Extra 10 gauge wire from battery to start relay to cure hot start problem. (tip from the Aprilia forum)

Also included:

  • 2 programmed keys and owner’s manual.
  • Akrapovic carbon can and mid pipe if you care about your neighbors.
    R&G hanger bracket included.
  • Dark double bubble windscreen by Puig their racing windscreen. Taller than stock.
  • OEM front master cylinder with Rizoma lever, matching clutch lever also.
  • Have stock mirrors but wires were cut.
  • Stock rearsets and Rizoma rearsets.
  • Red Rizoma oil cap.
  • Stock bar ends.
  • Tail Tidy and turn signals.
  • Stock gearing.
  • Stock air filter.
  • Mr. Jay Leno, have you got one of these in your garage? The titanium axle nuts are stunning and even engraved! If you don’t want attention then purchase something else. The pics don’t do it justice. Also never leave it out of sight and invest in a good alarm system. This bike is so beautiful I am confident the first person that sees it will buy it. Even people who aren’t motorcyclists comment how pretty the bike is and the powerful exhaust note sounds more like an exotic sports car rather than a motorcycle. Please leave a message when you call and I will get back to you in a day or two. Repeat your number, state your time zone and the best time to call.


    Dave’s price is firm at $12,000.  Telephone him at (505) 463-6462

    The RSV4 put Aprilia into the thick of WSBK racing, with championships in 2010, ’12 and ’14.  The streetbike was expensive but very competitive with other European makers.  Value is built in with solid engineering and APRC features.  Dave’s RSV4 has almost too much to list, and too few miles to call it used.

    Call Dave on (505) 463-6462 to discuss !

    -donn

     

     

    BMW May 6, 2021 posted by

    Flying Brick – 1987 BMW K100RS with just 21,536 Miles !

    BMW wagered heavily on the future with the K-series, and took their water cooled four ( and triple ) into the sunset.  This RS variant is five years into the model’s run and has an understated magnificence.

    1987 BMW K100RS for sale on eBay

    Bayerischen had been considering the proper successor to its almost universal air cooled flat twin, and settled on the distinctive side-winding inline engine, with Bosch fuel injection.  With four valves per cylinder it made 90 hp for the RS and worked seamlessly with the factory’s shaft drive.  The chassis holds the engine from above, supported by right-side-up forks and the monolever rear end.  Brembo brought their triple slotted disk brakes, and even ABS was optional.  Always thinking longer haul, the Rennsport had a larger 18-inch front wheel, and an almost 6-gallon tank.

    This Canadian owner hasn’t owned his RS forever, but chose carefully and took great care with it.  It’s the top model in a premium color and rarely out in the weather.  BMW-specific maintenance is recent, with fuel injection pump and shaft drive taken care of.  New tires, brakes and fork seals, and a nice day-only leather seat.  If exportation paperwork is available then re-importing to USA should be a snap.  Comments from the eBay auction:

    Garage kept all its life, meticulously maintained by mature owner. In beautiful rare special order mother pearl white paint with hand painted red pin striping from the BMW factory, this was a substantial higher cost option. You can see gold in the paint when the sun or the light shines on it. 

    With 1000cc longitudinal DOHC inline flat 4 cylinder engine, liquid cooled, fuel injected which was very rare on motorcycles in the 1980’s. Super silky smooth, with triple Brembo drilled disk brakes and shaft drive.  New Bosch fuel pump, new fuel screen filter, new rubber mount/vibration damper for fuel pump, new fuel filter, new fuel lines, new fuel cap rubber seal. New spark plugs, new air filter. 

    New professionally reupholstered seat with real leather, not vinyl, with custom fitted gel pad in seat for driver for extra comfort and soft rubber grips on handlebars for extra comfort. New coolant, new thermostat, new radiator hose. New rear brake reservoir, new rear brake hose line from reservoir to master cylinder, new rear brake pads. New front and back Pirelli tires. Brake fluid flushed. Recent front fork seals and front brake pads. 

    The driveshaft spline was lubed at 16,000 miles. New Battery in July/2018. Oil and filter changed every year regardless of mileage and has now been changed again for the 2021 season. Only use high 94 octane fuel.  Inside the factory aluminum fuel tank looks like new. Comes with extra new fuel cap rubber seal, extra new gear shifter rubber, motorcycle cover, battery tender. 

    Also has all original manuals, plus Clymer shop manual, original BMW tire repair kit, original tool kit, also both original keys. 

    Like a lot of things BMW, the design and build were quite durable, and the successor K1100 took the RS through 1996.  Sporty for a tourer, the RS was quick but only a long-term threat to a lightweight sportbike.  And the flat twin survived, in oil-cooled then water cooled form, and may outlast all the four-bangers.  Hoping this RS will find the owner to extend its run many more seasons.

    -donn

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