Posts by tag: Vdue

Bimota February 14, 2017 posted by

The VDue that worked:
1999 Bimota VDue Trofeo in Italy

Update 2.14.2017: We last posted this bike roughly a year ago, and bidding stopped at a little over $20k, reserve not met. Links are updated with the current auction. Good luck to buyers and seller! -dc

Here is something we have only had on RSBFS once before, a Bimota VDue Trofeo edition.  The Trofeo was a track oriented VDue produced by the factory that incorporated a host of changes which Bimota claimed fixed the problems that had plagued the VDue since its launch.

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1999 Bimota VDue Trofeo in Italy

The VDue was supposed to be a game changer for Bimota; it would have not only the specialized frame and top-spec suspension components Bimota was known for but also have a new direct-injected 500cc two-stroke v-twin.  Pollution regulations in the 1990's were making it harder for new two-stroke models to get approved for street use. Bimota decided the solution was fuel injection; it would defeat a lot of the pollution and would place Bimota at the top of the sportbike-as-luxury-item category.

As regularly RSBFS readers know, despite the promise of the VDue design, the first VDue models had major problems, especially in the fuel management and engine areas.  These problems have been detailed in previous VDue listings here on RSBFS.  For anyone who is curious, an especially good explanation was done in a post back in December by RSBFS contributor Tad D which can be read here.

Suffice to say the VDue is now considered the bike that forced Bimota into bankruptcy and the last of the big/500cc two-stroke sportbikes.

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The Trofeo was an effort by Bimota to prove the VDue issues were resolved.  Built as a run of 26 track-focused bikes by Bimota and "leased" to racers by Bimota for a sponsored challenger/race series called "Trophy", the 26 Trofeo editions came with serious racing components, including race-oriented carburetors, a race-spec electrical harness and ECU and different exhaust systems.

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According to research, the Trofeo edition did not have the engine issues or peaky power delivery that had plagued the earlier models and the engine didn't suffer any major issues.   Another 177 VDue's were produced after the Trofeo version and those also seemed to have less problems but the initial reputation remained. and the VDue was one more nail in the coffin of Bimota.

Note:  I can't help but think what might have been if Bimota had taken the VDue racing first, identified and then resolved the engine issues and then made a street legal VDue version available to the masses.  Perhaps we would still be hearing stuff like this on the streets of the USA today.

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For this VDue Trofeo mileage is listed as zero and the bike has apparently been in a collection since 2003.  This bike shows a VIN# of 26 and the seller indicates this is the last Trofeo and the only one that is still in NOS condition.

NOTE:  According to the VDue.it website, the Trofeo models cannot have a numberplate for road usage.  Not sure what this means for any non uk buyer.

Obviously a full service (including tires) would be required before it went back on the street.

Here is what the seller has to say:

  • Not to be confused with the injection model or the later not factory built Evoluzione road model.
  • This is the last of 26 units the factory built in 1999 to compete in the Bimota 500 VDue Trofeo.
  • The bike is new unused/new san some small scratches in years of storing.
  • Unique occasion to own the most desiderable version of the only Bimota model with Bimota engine!
  • The only one of the 26 units still new

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What is this "last" VDue Trofeo worth?   Well I have seen VDue's listed for between $22,000 USD to $39,500 USD and given their limited production run of only 378(ish) units an average price for a VDue is tough to pin down.  In the UK gently ridden fuel injected models seem to be offered around $24,000 USD while in the US prices seem to be about $7,000 higher .  This one is supposed to be the last Trofeo which isn't fuel injected and has zero miles so I would guess a price of $27,000-$32,000 USD. While that price is kind of steep for a 16 year old bike that had a reputation for engine problems and might not be able to be used on the street, I do think it would be a jewel in any collection.

-Marty/Dallaslavowner

The VDue that worked: </br>1999 Bimota VDue Trofeo in Italy
Bimota December 19, 2015 posted by

Two-Stroke Apotheosis: 2004 Bimota VDue for Sale

2004 Bimota VDue L SideThe Bimota VDue was an ambitious project from the start. Of course it incorporated Bimota's usual jaw-dropping bodwork draped over a stiff, lightweight frame and top-spec suspension components. A 300lb, carbon-fiber dream-machine in patriotic red, white, and green paint. But the real centerpiece was a direct-injected, 500cc two-stroke v-twin of Bimota's own design, a clean-burning engine that was supposed to save the two-stroke sportbike from extinction.

Instead, it sank the company.

On paper it was the perfect sportbike: featherweight construction, cassette six-speed gearbox, and GP handling. The sophisticated engine management was supposed to allow the normally very smoky two-stroke engine to meet emissions requirements while punching out 110hp and a racebike soundtrack. But that engine is where the trouble began. The bike delivered in the handling department, as you'd expect, but the first batch of bikes was nearly impossible to ride at anything less than full throttle. They were jerky, they hunted, they wouldn't run smoothly. They seized. Some even ran just fine.

2004 Bimota VDue R Rear

And for a long time, Bimota couldn't even figure out what was going on: at first, it was thought that there were problems with the new ignition. So bikes went back to the factory to be remapped. Which worked great on individual bikes, but maps wouldn't work when used on different bikes. Then it was thought that manufacturing differences were causing issues with the port-heights. So the barrels were then replaced, but that didn't really sort the problem either. And by then, it was all over for Bimota...

2004 Bimota VDue Rear

The potential was obviously still there, and Piero Caronni, one of the engineers originally involved with the bike, continued to develop the VDue after the company folded, fitting a set of carburetors to replace the injection system and selling the bike as a track-only machine. This was obviously not an ideal fix, but his Evoluzione at least ran, even if it wasn't road-legal.

The problem was traced, years later to something completely unrelated to either the ignition or the barrels: aluminum porosity and casting issues in the engine cases were ultimately determined to be the root of the poor performance, and new castings are available, if you want to turn your display-piece into a runner.

From the original Craigslist post: 2004 Bimota VDue for Sale

It is time for me to let go one of my V-Due Evoluzione II. Still NEW with only 10 manufactured test miles, No gas in the tank, Battery not hooked up but will prep for the buyer. Not a single imperfection. Comes with new US MSO! You will be the first owner!

This bike is not like any other V-Due that bankrupted Bimota for its defect. You can ride this bike reliably. Not more than 22 2004 Evoluzione 04 and only one is still NEW. The new release of new and improved V-Due were not plan to be street legal, this one is.

The Evo 04 is equipped with much improved DFI (Direct Fuel Injection) and not the cheap carburetor version. Exoticness

Cost me big bucks to bring one here especially that US MSO. Looking to get $32K or trade for something mint and rare.

Less than 500 of these little jewels exist and the seller's asking price for what he claims is a rideable motorcycle seems pretty much par for the course. I'd like to say that this 10-mile example is unusual, but many have spent more time on display than on the road. That's a tragedy, but at least they make very nice display pieces: the VDue really is a gorgeous motorcycle, one of the best-looking bikes of the era. Fortunately, with a bit of work, it could also be one of the best-riding bikes of any era...

-tad

2004 Bimota VDue L Front

Two-Stroke Apotheosis: 2004 Bimota VDue for Sale
Mondial February 23, 2015 posted by

Unobtanium Alert! Multiple Mondial Piegas for sale on ebay UK, including an EF version!

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Here are two (2!) of the ultra rare Mondial Piega models, both from the same seller.

For anyone not familiar with these bikes from previous RSBFS posts, FB Mondial was a small motorcycle manufacturer that had racing success in the 1940's and 50's but couldn't translate that success into a long term successful business model.  Mondial produced highly successful race bikes, many with the distinctive Dustbin fairings.  These bikes are considered to be some of the most beautiful bikes ever made and are now highly valued by collectors.  For example, the 1957 Mondial 125cc Grand Prix DOHC 'Dustbin' pictured below was recently offered for sale by Bonhams for over 110,000 USD (click the pic for more details).

1957 Mondial 125, Bonhams auction

Mondial Racebike

The Monidal bikes were so successful and so highly regarded that back in the 50's Soichiro Honda himself approached Mondial about purchasing their 125cc race bikes to help his company get up to speed (no pun intended).  When Honda won the 125cc and 250cc championships in 1961 the badges said Honda but the technology was Mondial.  FYI - This is why today, when you enter Honda's museum at its race track at Motegi, Japan, the first bike you see on display is a 125 Mondial.

By the mid 1960's Mondial was starting to struggle and in an interesting reversal, the company worked out an agreement with Honda to offer their bikes with Honda power. The Mondial brand continued on until the late 1970's but eventually it shutdown and fell into disuse.

In 2000, entrepreneur Roberto Zileti bought the dormant Mondial name from the original owner family and using his considerable wealth had a new Mondial designed.  The new bike was designed to compete in World Superbike racing and was to be powered by a Suzuki TL1000 V-twin engine but just before it was due to be launched Suzuki withdrew.  Ziletti then managed to convince Honda to supply the reborn Mondial with Honda SP-1 engines and the new Mondial Piega was born.

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While European bikes designed around Japanese engines have been known to promise more than they deliver (Im looking at you, Bimota), the Piega isn't one of those.  Mondial's engine modifications were small, consisting of a new intake and exhaust system and a reworking of the fuel injection mapping which bumped out the power a bit.  The major change was to weight; due to the extensive use of carbon-fiber,, the Piega is 45lb lighter than the SP-1.

Reviewers were quite enthusiastic over the bike, stating:

"the bike also feels faster than the latest Honda SP and the handling is at least as good. The SP-1 felt awkward and at times unstable with an especially flighty front end. The Piega is better, with great stability."

"The main development rider for the Piega was a 250cc race champion and it shows in the results...the Piega somehow manages to feel like a much smaller machine...it can be flicked into a corner and re-positioned mid-turn.  Also the very high quality race-based suspension gives the bike a tactile quality."

"You don't have to ride the Piega fast to savor the sensations it offers, because it's enormously rewarding at most speeds, but when you do it responds with a top-level ability. Of course the bike is also great to look at in its traditional blue and silver livery, although the combination of hard edges and curves occasionally clashes and the droop of the tail plate unit detracts from the bike's aggression."

2003? Blue and White Piega for sale on ebay UK

Here is the first one, a year isnt specified but it looks to be one of the early edition bikes, possibly a 2003.  Mileage is listed as Zero/new.  Asking price is 17,000 GBP which comes out to about 26,000 USD.

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modial 1 side

While normally I am wary anytime someone says Zero/o miles for a bike, this one does look absolutely clean.  NOTE:  There have also been comments on previous RSBFS Piega posts that 11 of these bikes were "taken" by employees who didn't receive their paychecks after the company went bankrupt and that these are considered stolen.


Now here is the second one, an EF/Finale Edition version in lovely black and carbon fiber.

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2008? Mondial Piega EF/Final Edition

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The build history on the Final Edition/EF versions is a bit vague and the only info I can find is a brief mention of them being launched in 2008.   It seems like the EF version was produced out of Piega backstock with different carbon based bodywork similar to that from the Mondial GP bike.   The seller indicates this 1 of 10 EF versions which may account for its higher asking price of 22,500 GBP/35,000 USD.

modianl black back

Now, the question is, what are these bikes worth?  The Mondial Piega is certainly a rare sportbike based on the listed production numbers and finding one let alone two in brand new condition is pretty amazing.  Even so, I think the price for these may be a bit high.  Previous postings on RSBFS  went for quite a bit less than the asking price but those posts were for US bikes, the bikes weren't 0 miles bikes and occurred while the financial crisis was still ongoing.  Perhaps someone can work out a package deal for both...?

-Marty/Dallaslavowner

Note:  This seller appears to have quite a few high end bikes for sale, including a Bimota VDue Evoluzione, which is the upgraded version equipped with carburetors.

Unobtanium Alert!  Multiple Mondial Piegas for sale on ebay UK, including an EF version!
Bimota November 6, 2014 posted by

Beautiful Dream: Bimota 500 Vdue for Sale

Bimota VDue R Side Front

The Bimota Vdue should have been epic: it was supposed to be the very first Bimota designed and built completely in-house, powered by a proprietary engine with cutting-edge technology. Bimota got their start building lightweight exotica around existing engines, but this would take their bikes to a whole new level and the spec sheet reads like a resume for the racetrack refugee that it was: a 500cc two-stroke v-twin pumping out 110hp. Cassette gearbox. Carbon-fiber bodywork and a dry weight just north of 300lbs. Top-of-the-line suspension front and rear.

Bimota VDue L Side Front

But not only would this machine offer a nearly GP-level experience, it would single-handedly save the roadgoing two-stroke. The all-new engine featured a state-of-the-art, electronic direct-injection system to keep emissions of the fundamentally dirty two-stroke engine within acceptable limits.

But the tiny Italian firm overreached themselves and what should have ushered in a new era for Bimota actually sank the company: the first batch of bikes was a disaster. While the bike was, of course, amazingly agile and fiendishly powerful, it was nearly impossible to ride smoothly. It delivered on the promise of a light-switch, two-stroke powerband, but amplified with hideously inconsistent fueling that made it nearly unrideable.

Bimota VDue Dash

Seized engines were common, and buyers soon began demanding their money back.

The problem was eventually blamed on manufacturing differences in port-height that was exacerbated when the parts were mixed and matched in production. Even worse, the problem was initially thought to be a mapping problem with the new ignition. But with inconsistencies between port-height in different engines, new maps that made one bike work fine didn't work on other bikes. It took a while to track down the actual problem.

Bimota VDue R Side Swingarm

Barrels were replaced under warranty, but the problem wasn’t really resolved. Eventually one of the engineers involved in the project bought the remaining unfinished machines after Bimota went bankrupt. He continued to refine the bike, dropping the troublesome injection and simply fitting a set of Dell'Orto carburetors for the Evoluzione Corsa version of the bike, and a few of these made it onto the road. Well, not really the road: the goal for the injected bikes was emissions legality, and carbs may have made the package work, but it wasn't generally legal.

Bimota VDue Tail

Ultimately, something like the full performance potential of the Vdue was realized, but the project sank the company, their envisioned triumph turned into disaster.

From the original eBay listing: Bimota 500 Vdue for sale

The only Bimota with a Bimota engine: 500cc v twin two stroke engine. Carby model with Jolly Moto pipes. This is a brand new bike never ridden with 2014 spec CDI and jetting set up. Bike has been tuned and runs perfect at a press of a button, ready to go. Parts are very cheap and easy to get no problem. There is a manual and spare keys that will come with the bike as well with the number plate mount.

Bimota VDue Exhaust

The performance potential is huge, but these are true exotics and require real dedication to own, in spite of the seller’s assertion that “parts are very cheap.” Just fueling the thing could put you in the poorhouse: mileage can dip as low as 15mpg when ridden hard. Less than 500 Vdues were made, including the carbureted "Corsa" and "Evolutzione" models. It is truly exotic, with ambitious goals and technology. It’s also one of the best looking bikes of this, or any era: purposeful and sleek, with no gimmicks.

In an era when the Japanese were committed to their garish neon slash paint jobs and names like “Ninja,” “Thundercat,” and “Thunderace, the Vdue made do with a loud, but classically patriotic paint scheme and a name that was about as simple as you can get: “Vdue” translates directly to “V-twin.” Everything sounds cooler in Italian. Who else could name a car the “Four-door” and make it sound cool?

Bimota VDue R Rear

$30,000 starting bid is pretty steep, but seems to be in the ballpark for these, although it's not really clear what year bike this is. There’s been virtually no interest in the bike so far, with no bids and just four days left on the auction. The bike is currently located in Sydney, Australia, but it’s unlikely to be road-legal wherever you are without some legal wrangling. But out on the track, this should be killer and you'd probably manage to pass people because they'd just want to watch you as you go by...

-tad

Bimota VDue L Side

Bimota November 7, 2012 posted by

Four Bimota’s Available in Arizona: Vdue, DB4, YB10, and YB11

Tony emailed us to alert us to his stunning Bimota sale on eBay. While the Vdue is obviously the standout here, the others are all in excellent condition as well and ready to be included in your collection. Check them out:

1998 Bimota Vdue 500 with 0 Miles For Sale on eBay

From the seller:

1998 Bimota Vdue 500

0 miles. On 1st title (AZ) from the MSO. Never registered/plated.

Completely stock/original. No modifications. Fuel Injected. FI has not been touched/tuned.

As close to buying a new example as you can get.


1999 Bimota DB4 with 360 Miles For Sale on eBay

From the seller:

360 miles. Clear AZ title.

Corse kit, which includes Ti exhaust, Keihin FCR Flatside Carbs and proper tank.


1991 Bimota YB10 Dieci For Sale on eBay

From the seller:

5179 miles. Stock, unmodified.

Has a few cosmetic issues, as shown in the pictures. Paint ships, yellowing, minor cracking, seat foam is starting to tear.

Tires are cracked on the side walls, ready to be replaced.


1997 Bimota YB11 For Sale on eBay

From the seller:

1470 miles. Stock, no modifications.

Clean example, getting hard to find in this condition.


There you go Bimota fans! Start your collection instantly and enjoy some sun in Arizona when you pick up. Good luck with the sale Tony,

dc

Bimota April 18, 2012 posted by

UK Goodies: Bimota Vdue Trofeo Edition, Laverda 1200 Anniversary, Norton Commando 961 Cafe Racer

UK Goodies:  Bimota Vdue Trofeo Edition, Laverda 1200 Anniversary, Norton Commando 961 Cafe Racer

 

It was a little slow around the plush and dimly lit RSBFS offices this week and I found myself wandering onto Ebay UK (you can only read the paper in the bathroom stall so many times).  Read on to see if what I found interests you as well.

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1998 Bimota Vdue Bimota Trofeo Edition

I'm a huge two stroke fan but have to admit I've never been that fascinated with the Bimota Vdue.  Maybe it was the styling, maybe it was the problems associated with it but my lust factor was low.  This particular model intrigues the heck out of me though.  There were 26 track models produced for a Vdue race series with a host of updates that fixed the nagging problems.

The specifics from Vdueusa.com:

After a managerial change, Bimota decided it was time to solve the troubles of the injection unit. Thanks to Ing. Naldi, the engine of the Vdue got new cranks, bearings (on the inside of the crank seals), more accurate ports in the cilinders and and 39,5mm Dell'Orto carburators.
With these modifications the engine was reliable that Bimota sponsored a challenger series called "Trophy". The motorcycles where "leased" directly by the factory with different exhaust system, carburetors, electrical harness reduced to the minimum and new digital instrument panel with integrated ECU.

All of those bikes were pure race machines. During the challenge, they never experienced the peaky power delivery of the injection unit and also the engine did not suffer major troubles.

 

Can you smell that two stroke smell filling the gargage?

 

The exhaust is specific to the Trofeo Edition.  Click here for some Vdue exhaust porn courtesy of Brian Turfrey.

 

As stated above, the dash is unique to these models as well.

The asking price is roughly $26,500.  Click quickly the listing is close to ending.

 

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Laverda 1200 Anniversay

 

Next up is this brute, a Laverda 1200 Anniversary.  This thing has a certain Mad Max factor to it.  It looks like you are out to kick some ass if you are riding this beast.  There is very little info on this bike on the web but I did find a little.  It seems some serious Laverda fans dismiss the Anniversary as strictly a marketing ploy.  The fact is very few were made and exact number produced is up for discussion.  Possibly no more than 200 were produced.

From the auction:

  • collectors, 100-200 only built! ;
  • first production bike with hydraulic clutch;
  • cosmetic black - gold combination;
  • handlebar fairing a la BMW style.. with leather look plastic trim on the inside;
  • Matching numbers: *2208*
  • Dutch papers and all needed export documents.
The bike will be standard deliverd, with the original mufflers and complete fairing.

This bike is all original, except for the Koni rear shocks, the original Corte e Cosso's we do have.
Back to basics boys.  Not water cooling here.  All you need is a black leather jacket and boots.
I can't quite figure out the hand painted "30th".  It almost looks like a mistake.
Asking price on this bad boy is roughly $20,000.
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2011 Norton Commando 961 Cafe Racer
Last up is a modern retro.  These are currently being produced in the UK and can be bought here in the states but I've never seen one on the road so I thought it was worth  a post.  Here is a link to Nortons website with all the specs.  I think they've done a good job of mixing modern and classic elements together.
They sure as heck aren't cheap.  They sell for close to $24,000 and there is a year waiting list.
The sellers are asking above MSRP for you impatient bastards.

A dash with some classic styling elements.  I like it.  Have you seen the Norton/Aprilia/Spondon to be raced at the Isle of Man?

Click here to purchase.

 

 

 

Ian