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Honda October 4, 2017 posted by

Featured Listing: 1983 Honda CX650 Turbo!

Update 10.9.2017: Joe wanted to note that this bike was used in Cycle World article published in May 2011 by Peter Egan, "Gone with the wind". -dc

When it comes to the rapid pace of motorcycle development, nothing could beat the 1980s. Every manufacturer was scrambling to find the next Big Thing, the next best way to motivate a motorcycle for the claim of top dog. And for a brief, meteoric period in the early 1980s, the Turbo was the thing. Each of the Big Four offered a turbocharged motorcycle, but only Honda developed their bike into a second generation model (starting with the CX500 Turbo, and evolving into an all new 650). As a result the 1983 Honda CX650 Turbo was the most evolved of the Turbo set, offering manageable, reliable power. And power was available in spades - the CX650 Turbo nominated as "the roll-on king" for the amazing push of torque while underway. This particular example has 153 original miles and is as new a bike as you are likely to find. I'll let the seller pick up the story from here:

Featured Listing: 1983 Honda CX650 Turbo!

From the seller:
The 1983 Honda Turbo “No Mileage” CX650 in this ad is truly extraordinary because it has 153 original miles on it. This bike comes from a serious automobile and motorcycle collection in the Chicagoland area. The bike has everything original including paint, chrome, seat…even the tires are believed to be original. The bike runs flawlessly and is kept on a trickle charger. About 5-20 miles put on it each year in recent years.

This bike currently and for the last ten years has been a very well-known motorcycle collection. It has been very well maintained and driven a few miles every summer and kept on trickle charger. The bike looks and runs great (you could say ‘like new’)!

More from the seller:
It is generally considered that any motorcycle with less than 200 miles is considered to be under the classification of a “No Mileage” motorcycle and certainly this Honda falls within this category. All 650 Turbos are excitingly fast when you hit the pike but they are also very rare as it is believed that they are the lowest production classification of a Honda’s that was ever made. Top that off with this Honda that is a 100% original (and we believe the tires are too) and just 153 miles and you have one of the rarest Honda 650 Turbos that exist. The bike looks like new, and runs like new and has one very small chip on the entire bike.

More from the seller:
In 1983, turbocharging was the wave of the motorcycle future. The Honda CX650 Turbo was the best of the turbocharged motorcycles that lit up the 80s super fast bikes. The 1983 Honda Turbo is now one of the rarest production Hondas ever, with only 1,777 built and fewer than 1,200 imported to the U.S. and Canada.

Call to discuss price 847-668-2004 cell 10 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. CST

One of the most rare motorcycles of the era, all of the Turbo bikes were one year models. Honda was the only factory that took an evolutionary approach to boosted power, and despite the poor showroom performance these 1983 CX650 T models are truly excellent motorcycles. The Silver Wing-derived longitudinal twin is extremely robust; this model has very few weak points from a mechanical perspective. There are known issues with the stator failing over time, but that is on examples with more than 20k on the clock. Otherwise, this is as bulletproof as you can get on two wheels. Build quality is typical Honda, and if you decide to ride this example you will find a well-sized and comfortable cockpit with good wind protection.

Values for Turbo models have started to hit a stride - but the 650 models from Honda appear to be particularly strong. This is especially true for nearly new examples such as this particular specimen. Expect slow but steady valuation growth over time as the tiny pool of Turbo bikes continues to shrink. Traditionally these have not been extremely popular bikes, but the law of Supply and Demand is a predictable mistress for collectors and this 1983 Honda CX650 Turbo has all the right elements to lead the charge. Interested individuals should contact the seller to discuss: 847-668-2004 or email: adreply514@gmail.com

Kawasaki September 18, 2017 posted by

One Complete, One in Pieces: Turbo’d 1975 Kawasaki KZ900 and 1977 Kawasaki KZ1000

Here's a weird one. This seller in Oklahoma has two turbo'd Kawasaki Z bikes for sale in two separate auctions and in two very different states of disrepair. They wear identical paint schemes, and the seller says they come from the estate of a good friend.

1975 Kawasaki KZ900 Turbo for sale on eBay

The original owner bought the complete 1975 Kawasaki KZ900 brand-new and then added a Blake turbo kit and his own Turbo logo and paint job. The seller says the bike does not run, and the thick layer of dust and rat's nest of wires poking from under the right side cover back that story up.

The same gentleman bought the 1977 KZ1000 to build what the seller calls "a real hot rod," and it comes with an American Turbo Pak, among a vanload of other spares. It is unclear whether this project was complete before being disassembled, or if it never got off the ground in the first place. Either way, the '77 will need a lot of love to be whole again.

As grubby and daunting as these two bikes are, they are from a unique, frenetic time in the evolution of sportbikes. They came at the end of America's obsession with the muscle car, and before the collective interest had discovered corners. Though they are not as collectible as a factory-optioned Z1TC, they are a rare and incredible look into the not-so-distant past.

The auctions have little time left, but are no reserve, so the high bidder is taking home a full garage worth of intense, rewarding project.

From the eBay listings:

'75:

NO RESERVE

I'm selling this on behalf of the widow of the one and only owner of this bike. Randy bought this Kawasaki Z1 brand new in 1975 and then added the Blake turbocharger and his own spin on the paint scheme. His old riding buddy has lots of stories about how fast the bike was. BUT, Randy then bought a second bike to build into a real hot rod. That bike is listed separately, partially disassembled, and comes with a large number of extra parts.It's possible many of those parts will fit this bike, but they're being sold right now with the 1977 KZ 1000 with the American Turbo-Pak. (See our other auction.) These bikes have been in his garage for years and are not in running condition. Sold as-is, where is.

Ideally the same bidder will win both auctions and keep this great collection of authentic hot rod Kawasaki history together.

'77:
NO RESERVE

I'm selling this on behalf of the widow of the owner of this bike.  Randy bought a Kawasaki Z1 brand new in 1975 and then added a Blake turbocharger and his own spin on the paint scheme.  His old riding buddy has lots of stories about how fast the bike was.  BUT, Randy then bought a second bike (this one) to build into a real hot rod.  That bike is listed separately, partially disassembled, and comes with a LARGE NUMBER OF EXTRA PARTS.  It's possible many of those parts will fit both bikes, but they're being sold right now with this 1977 KZ 1000 with the American Turbo-Pak. (See our other auction for the 1976 Z1 with Blake turbocharger.)  These bikes have been in his garage for years and are not in running condition.  Sold as-is, where is.

Ideally the same bidder will win both auctions and keep this great collection of authentic hot rod Kawasaki history together.
There is just over a day left in the bidding for these insane machines, so click through and make your play, if you dare.
One Complete, One in Pieces: Turbo’d 1975 Kawasaki KZ900 and 1977 Kawasaki KZ1000
Suzuki September 13, 2017 posted by

Mr T: 1983 Suzuki XN85 Turbo

Given the title, I'm sure you're looking for some "I pity the fool..." type of comments here, but you will get none from me. Although looking back some 34 years from the future - in a world where nearly every car (from econo box to sports car) is either turbocharged, supercharged or both - it feels like we have not come very far at all. And while every one of the Big Four offered a puffer-enhanced model in the early 1980s, each was a dismal failure in the showroom, despite the investment and technology. Take the 1983 Suzuki XN85: this 650cc sport bike was labeled as the best handling motorcycle of that year. But nothing ages faster than last year's model, and the heavy, expensive, complicated XN85 was quickly left behind.

1983 Suzuki XN85 Turbo for sale on eBay

Looking back, the XN85 paved the way for more successful Suzuki models, such as the original GSX-R series. In fact, the air/oil cooling technology that enabled the GSX-R's light weight was pioneered on the XN85. What about the GP-inspired 16" front wheel? Today this is seen as an antiquated attempt to lessen gyroscopic forces and improve transition maneuverability, but given the chassis technology at the time it was effective. So, too, was the adjustable anti-dive fork and the single shock rear suspension - which was carried onto other sporting models. Computerized fuel injection was a necessity for the turbo application, but represented a giant leap forward in the day (despite the computer being roughly the size of a toaster). Today this technology is a given, but the DNA has deep roots and a long memory.

From the seller:
For sale is a 1983 Suzuki XN85 Turbo. Bike is original an survivor with only 07772.1 miles. Read item condition for specifics, look over the photos or email for any questions. Thanks for looking.

This one year only model looks to be in decent condition; no obvious missing pieces or major damage. It would have been nice for the seller to take a minute to wipe the bike down (or, gasp!, wash it) before taking pictures, but this is not the worst we have ever seen. The corrosion is pretty typical of the age; most of these models have some rash on the brake master and the aluminum forks. While it does detract from the aesthetics, it should not prevent the bike from being ridden. And Turbo bikes need to be ridden regularly. Otherwise critical seals become old and crack, waste gate actuators stick, and myriad other problems can develop.

The Suzuki XN85 is perhaps the rarest of the US-imported Turbo bikes. Suzuki did everything they could to deny its existence, and buyers boycotted the extreme price differential between the XN and a performance-comparable GS750. Today these are interesting milestones along the racetrack of development. They are unique, rare, and relatively affordable. Prices are on a very slow ascending curve, making this a collectable you can afford - and afford to ride. Parts are difficult to find (especially the computerized bits and the bodywork), but if you locate a good one there are few weaknesses in the overall package. Boost is slow to hit - and doesn't hit nearly as hard as say a CX650T or Turbo GPz - but the handling is sublime by 1980s standards. This particular bike is a true survivor. Check it out here, and get boosted. Good luck!!

MI

Mr T:  1983 Suzuki XN85 Turbo
Honda June 27, 2017 posted by

Oddity: 1983 Honda CX650 Turbo

Honda is well known as an engineering company. It's where engineers thrive on unique challenges, novel solutions, and experimentation. It is what brought us such varied hardware as single cylinder 2-strokes and 4-strokes, twins in every conceivable combination and vee angle, V-3 2-strokes, V-4s, inline fours, horizontally opposed fours, and of course a wonderful mix of six cylinder machinery. Somewhere in all of that lies the very rare CX650 Turbo - a one year only model showcasing the pinnacle of Honda talent. Within a year - and with a whoosh - it was over.

1983 Honda CX650 Turbo for sale on eBay

With a longitudinal vee formation, the CX650T utilized liquid cooling, fuel injection and four valves per cylinder. You can think of it as a Moto Guzzi dragged kicking and screaming into the modern age. Honda was really up on their game with this bike, shown by the counter-rotating transmission to counteract the torque from lurching the bike to one side when the engine is rev'd (you BMW riders know exactly what I'm talking about). The cylinder heads are twisted in relation to the motors position by several degrees. This places the intake ports closer to the centerline of the bike and - most importantly - out of the way of the riders knees. Of course the big deal with the T model was the Turbo - a single IHI unit that produced a maximum of 16.5 PSI. This is lower than the predecessor's (CX500T) 19 pounds of boost, but together with increased compression and different valve timing the lower max boost made for better on/off transitions and rideability. Honda created the Turbo line with programmable fuel injection and a multitude of redundant systems to maintain the life of the motor. Largely they succeeded; these things are pretty close to bulletproof.

From the seller:
1983 CX650 TURBO - YOU CAN EAT OFF THIS BIKE - SUPER MINT CONDITION.
HAS BEEN MAINTAINED IN A CLIMATE CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT GARAGE FULLY COVERED. THE BIKE HAS A NEW BATTERY, FORK SEALS, TIRES, AND ALL FLUIDS HAVE BEEN CHANGED. I HAVE OWNED THIS BIKE FOR MANY YEARS, HOWEVER, HEALTH ISSUES FORCE SALE.

With less than 1,800 worldwide, and only about 1,000 making their way into the US, the CX650 Turbo is a pretty rare bird. The problem is that of those 1,000 US bikes, half (or more, if stories are to be believed) wound up in the hands of schools who used the bikes for tech training. The reason for this is not because they made such great training platforms, but rather because they flat out did not sell. Honda dumped them, wrote them off the books and moved on. The Turbos were a big win for Honda "the engineering company" but a bad bet from a revenue standpoint.

Fast forward nearly 35 years and the supply of these magnificent beasts (all 600 lbs) has dwindled. While most were cared for, these Turbos fall into neglect easily. With no real market to speak of, bikes were dumped for a song and treated as disposable. Today, these are still cult machines that speak to certain individuals. Unloved 35 years ago, largely unloved today. That is a shame, as these are truly unique motorcycles. They pull surprisingly well for their size and weight, and have all the hallmarks of Honda quality. Bidding on this 1983 Honda CX650 Turbo is only up to $4k. There is a reserve in place, and a BIN of - ahem - $16,999 (!). While values for good examples are slowly creeping up to the $10k mark, this appears to be a bit optimistic - even for a super clean and low mileage bike like this. Hats off if the seller gets his price, but I think this unloved-beloved model will need to age a bit further before the market takes that type of notice.

MI

Oddity:  1983 Honda CX650 Turbo
Honda April 11, 2017 posted by

Hot Air: 1982 Honda CX500 Turbo

Imagine the scene in Honda dealerships back in 1982: Buck Rogers - your bike is ready. One can only imagine what the buying public thought of a futuristic, turbocharged rocket ship that offered liter-bike power in a 500cc format. Unfortunately, the reaction from the general public was not to immediately rip open their wallets and buy one. Complicated, heavy, expensive and more compromising than riders (and buyers) wanted, the Honda CX Turbo lineup survived only a few, short years before being closed down completely. Produced in very low numbers, these Turbos have half of the "supply/demand" equation on their side. Unfortunately, even fewer buyers seem to want these bikes today, making them an interesting investment conundrum. Relative scarcity does not automatically equate to "desired" - or valuable.

1982 Honda CX500 Turbo for sale on eBay

Public opinion be damned. These bikes are some of the finest produced by Honda during this era. These are cutting-edge bikes - including turbocharging, liquid cooling, computerized fuel injection - all during an era where the archaic, air-cooled GPz still hunted in the canyons. This was the promise of the future, delivered on a neon orange & pearlescent canvas, plenty of gold accents, yards of ABS plastic bodywork, and enough "TURBO" badges to make people think you went nuts with a J.C. Whitney catalog. It is different - very different. And that is both the glory as well as the failing of the Honda Turbo lineup. People want the same, only better. Honda delivered a sport touring bike (likely because it was impossible to package all of the tech in a sport bike sized machine) that was neither really sporty, nor really touring. It was an in-between bike that screamed loudly, but never really said anything that people wanted to hear. It was a monumental advancement, and an utter flop. And you will have to pry mine (a 650 model) out of my cold, dead hands.

From the seller:
Beautiful 8000 mile example of this cool turbocharged touring bike. I got his from the original owners estate sitting in the back of the garage. It had been sitting for years. I resurrected it and drove it several hundred miles and love it! but i'm a harley and triumph guy and although I like all bikes it really is not my type of bike. But more about the bike, it runs great and drives great has the original owners manual with the tire gauge and the only thing I did to get it going was replace the fuel pump and rebuild the petcock and it runs beautifully. All the gauges work great. It has a few scratches here and there but nothing too noticeable. Original paint!!

Today, everything said about the CX500 Turbo back in 1982 applies. It is big, heavy, complex and different. It's still expensive, although time has not been supportive of the overall value. Prices on these models appeared to peak around 2010. It's hard to believe that they will not still appreciate due to novelty and rarity, but one will likely need to another round of 1980s nostalgia to return before that happens.

This pretty (in the eyes of this beholder, at least) CX500 Turbo one is listed for $5,000 in a Buy It Now classified, with the seller open to offers. That is fair money for a 8,000 mile example of a rare bike, and far below the top dollar we have seen asked in the past. There is some damage noted to the hard to replace bodywork, so make sure you do your homework first. Check it out here, and then share your thoughts. Investment opportunity or just something different to own and ride around? Good Luck!!

MI

Hot Air: 1982 Honda CX500 Turbo
Honda January 19, 2017 posted by

Mr T: 1983 Honda CX650 Turbo

Time to jump into the Wayback Machine and make the trek back to the 1980s. Legwarmers are optional equipment here. What you are looking at is perhaps the most polished and complete of the factory Turbo bikes of the era. A technological tour de force of the time - along the lines of 2001: A Space Odyssey - the CX650 Turbo promised the next big direction for motorcycle motivation. Honda was experimenting with every engine configuration and size possible during these times, and the blown, traverse V-twin powering the CX series was but one of the contenders. The result of Honda's engineering might made it all work surprisingly well: the CX650 Turbo was known as the roll-on king due to the power available on boost. Even by today's standards this model pulls strongly through the gears and can shame modern machinery.

1983 Honda CX650 Turbo for sale on eBay

The problems with all of the Factory turbo bikes - weight, complexity, unpredictability and cost - were never really eliminated. The inexorable creep of time provided better advancements in different directions (think V45 Interceptor & Hurricane). It didn't help that the Turbos were pricey machines in the showroom, and riders voted with their wallets; The dream of boosted power quickly fell by the wayside. An interesting step during a period of fantastic development, the boosted bikes from the 1980s are now becoming respected as potential collector items. Prices are very slowing inching upwards as finding a clean example becomes more difficult.

From the seller:
Here is a true survivor, all original, 1983 Honda CX650 Turbo motorcycle with 24,238 miles on it. From the factory this bike produced 100 horsepower and is capable of hitting 140 mph. This is a very rare bike because there was only 1,777 of them made and less than 1200 imported to U.S. and Canada. This bike ran the quarter mile in 11.95 seconds at 112.4 miles per hour and has average touring range of 243 miles. With in the last 150 miles I have done the following: new tires, brakes, starter, starter clutch, fork seals, springs and fork fluid. This bike has fresh oil and filter, new spark plugs, new differential fluid and cleaned the fuel system, and runs great, very fun to ride. This bike has not been painted and it good shape for its age. The bike has a minor oil leak and some minor body damage. The bike has clear title and is sold AS-IS, no warranty. The bike is available for viewing while it is up for sale. Shipping will be the buyers responsibility. This bike is not sold as a new bike, it is used and in good shape. There is scratches and some cracks in the plastic and stickers are faded. More pictures are available upon request.

All the Big Four Japanese manufacturers created Turbo bikes - and parts are scarce across the board. If you are in the market for Turbo, you'd be advised to purchase the most complete one you can find. As for Hondas, the '83 650cc model is miles ahead of the CX500 Turbo in terms of performance and general response. Weakness are few; aside from the scarcity of parts (such as bodywork), these machines are known to eat stators. It is not common to find one that will not charge the battery while otherwise running fine. Replacement requires you to pull the engine, and with factory parts no longer available you will need to source an alternate. But that is really the only warning here.

This bike looks to be complete, and pretty good overall despite minor cosmetic damage. The seller has provided good information and numerous pictures. Mileage is above average for the collector set, but it is always nice to see a bike that has been run as intended. These motors are good for many, many miles so that is not a real worry. If you are in the market for something different, this just could be your ticket. Check it out here, as the bidding has been low thus far - you might just find yourself with a bargain Turbo. Whoosh!

MI

Mr T: 1983 Honda CX650 Turbo