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Moto Guzzi October 3, 2017 posted by

Flawed Masterpiece: 1955 Moto Guzzi 8C “Otto Cilindri” for Sale

Fans of modern machinery may not understand how Moto Guzzi, with their clunky driveshafts and pushrod v-twins, is allowed even a grudging membership to the sportbike club. Of course, a look back a bit further shows Guzzi was very successful in a variety of racing classes throughout the 40s and 50s. But they wanted to play in the premiere 500cc Grand Prix class with Gilera and MV Agusta, both of whom used inline fours as the basis for their race winning machines. Guzzi knew that, in order to compete without years of development, they needed to try something new that would increase power without increasing weight, and they did it with the "Otto Cilindri." Long and low, with a period "dustbin" fairing that made it look like a wheeled torpedo, the bike was as terrifying for riders as it was for the opposition.

The brand new 500cc Grand Prix machine was powered by a brand new V8 engine... Let's just stop there and let that sink in for a moment. A motorcycle. Powered by a 499cc V8. That's not a euphemism or a catchy name. That's "V8." As in "has eight cylinders." It also had four gear-driven overhead cams, eight Dell'Orto carburetors, liquid cooling, oil stored in the frame, and weighed in at 326 pounds with the full fairing in place. If this thing had actually finished a few more races, it'd be in the pantheon of all-time greats. Unfortunately, that's why this bike is a glorious footnote, instead of an unforgettable masterpiece.

The main issue was that the 78hp produced by the ferocious engine was too much for the tire and suspension technology of the time. The bike was capable of very nearly 180mph, but period testing and races were plagued by crashes, with riders eventually refusing to pilot it until it stopped trying to actively kill them. Which is saying something, since basically the entire sport of motorcycle racing was trying to kill riders during this period. Handling was likely compromised by the engine being set too far back in the frame. This was common practice at the time, ostensibly to increase traction at the rear, but put too little weight on the front for stability and handling. Mechanical failures didn't help: the bikes overheated and broke cranks with alarming regularity.

The Otto Cilindri was terrifyingly fast, even considering the mechanical and handling problems: it actually finished fourth and fifth at the 1957 Isle of Man TT, with the fourth-place bike running on 7 cylinders. Considering the ambition of the project, the reliability and handling challenges are no surprise and it is likely that, with time, the bike would have realized its full potential. Unfortunately, Moto Guzzi pulled out of Grand Prix racing in 1957, so this project will always be more of an interesting "what if."

From the original eBay listing: 1955 Moto Guzzi 8C for Sale

Moto Guzzi 8C "Continuation"

Model year 1955

Rare opportunity to acquire one of only 7 "continuation" built in 2001 by Todaro/Frigerio from original Moto Guzzi Factory drawings.
This is the last built, fitted with ORIGINAL crankshaft, pistons and timing gear.

Fully working.

 

Parade race and collect.

Bike is currently located in Italy, 33080 Roveredo in Piano, but i can get them delivered all around World at cost, no problem.

Hat tip to Odd-Bike, where I originally saw this bike posted. Just a handful of the V8 race bikes were ever built, and only two of those remain. But in the early 2000 a small run of seven "continuation" models were built to the original's exact specifications, including the magnesium engine cases and brake drums, although the continuation bikes will likely benefit from improvements in metallurgy. Note that the seller claims this is "fully working" which means that, not only is this a historical artifact, it's also an actual, rideable motorcycle. I'd bet this is one of the rarest, most exotic and historic machines we've ever featured on this site, although it's a bit older than our usual focus. Just how incredible this engine was in concept and execution is beyond the scope of this post or my limited engineering knowledge, but if you've never heard of this thing, it's worth checking out additional sources.

-tad

Flawed Masterpiece: 1955 Moto Guzzi 8C “Otto Cilindri” for Sale
Ducati September 4, 2016 posted by

One Owner, Low Mile -1988 Ducati 750F1

Pushing 30, the Ducati 750 F1B should almost be over on Classic Sport Bikes for Sale, but as such a quintessential desmodue, it belongs with its later sportbike progeny.  Built as a very racey road-going update of the championship-winning 600 TT2, the 750 F1 was also raced but enjoyed only occasional success.  With under 4,000 one-owner miles, this outstanding 750 F1 scores high for collectibility.

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1988 Ducati 750 F1 for sale on eBay

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With single overhead cams driven by new-fangled belts, the F1 looked toward the future, but its 76 hp had only a very minimal sportbike to push around.  The steel trellis frame supported the engine from above and the fuel tank rested on top, fuel flowing into 36mm Dell'Orto carburetors.  Right-side-up 40mm forks are up front, with single monoshock behind.  Brakes are single piston calipers with 300mm front disks, and 280 mm rear.  Super light before it was a trademark, the fiberglass endurance fairing and seat console are wrapped in the tricolore.

 

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Offered by an eBay store that has a few bikes but appears to concentrate on motoring collectibles, this 750 F1 looks the part.  It looks super-clean and substantially correct, though sharper eyes will find more than the missing side cover and modern grips and mirrors that caught my eye.  The seller doesn't offer much history but says this in the eBay auction:

We are delighted to offer this special Ducati 750 F1

Just ONE OWNER with 3972 miles!

Rare to begin with: Where on earth can you find a reference quality example like this?

Much more exotic and exclusive than any Japanese bike of this era.

The F1 series are now getting the recognition they deserve for the super bikes they are. They do represent a good value in today’s collector world….not yet, are they at the inflated prices of the 750 SS and 900 SS.

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Though Ducati was in the middle of a rough patch when the 750 F1 was designed, they pulled through and went on to bigger and better desmos.  Without anything not required for the sportbike mission ( fun ! ) on board, the limited horsepower, handling, and braking were plenty.  Though the company did inevitably get dragged into the features and specifications arms race, the 750 F1 is revered for its attention to the basics.  And while it might get to a surprisingly high price before the reserve is met, this example appears to stay on message perfectly...

-donn

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One Owner, Low Mile -1988 Ducati 750F1
Moto Guzzi March 27, 2016 posted by

Set-Up – 1984 Moto Guzzi 850 Le Mans Mk. III

Responding to pressure from the east with scores of refinements on the Le Mans theme, the archetypal Moto Guzzi is just now ( after 30+ years ) making the jump to "classic".   A stable, torquey heavyweight, this particular Le Mans has been beautifully maintained and upgraded.

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1984 Moto Guzzi 850 Le Mans Mk. III  on eBay

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Deriving 82 hp from the 844 cc 2-valve twin, the Mk. III has twin 36mm Dell'Orto carburetors and revised valvetrain and angular heads.  Pretty good torque allowed the company to retain the 5-speed transmission, but noise restrictions necessitated a revised airbox and exhaust system.  Shocks and forks are air-adjustable and brakes are 300mm dual disks with single 242mm rear.  Bikini fairing revised in the wind tunnel tested well, protecting the rider and aiding high speed handling.

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With the same owner since 1990, this Le Mans has some great mods and looks super.  Ohlins and rearsets are nice mods, but gear-driven cam, head guards and de-linked brakes signify a real fan.  From the eBay auction:

Up for auction is my beloved 1984 Moto Guzzi Lemans III. I have owned this bike since 1990. Elbow and wrist issues have kept me from riding it over the past few years and I have decided to give it a new home. Modifications are the fitting of Ohlins piggyback shocks, gear driven camshaft, rearset footrests, de-linked brakes with Kosman steel braided lines and individual K & N air filters. I have nearly all of the original parts including the airbox, Marzocchi shocks, footrests etc and I am including them in the sale. This is a very reluctant sale and it is being offered locally as well. I may end the auction and remove the listing at any time. The bike has just been serviced and had a new Yuasa GYZ battery installed. It will need tires as the ones on it are pretty old. Ask any questions before bidding, thank you and good luck!

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Shopping for that special bike, one always hopes to run across the bike and owner that had done the investigations, found the right mods, and had the right shop.  With its condition and comprehensive upgrades, this appears to be that Le Mans.  Hoping the owner can continue riding with a more upright bike - good luck with sale...

-donn

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Set-Up – 1984 Moto Guzzi 850 Le Mans Mk. III
Moto Guzzi January 15, 2016 posted by

Cafe Traditionale – 1984 Moto Guzzi 850 Le mans Mk III

Moto Guzzi went back to the drawing board to meet emissions ( noise mostly ) constraints, and heavily revised the 850 Le Mans, keeping the air-cooled V-twin, but quieting some of the noise and critics.

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1984 Moto Guzzi Le Mans Mk III for sale on eBay

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Revisions to the engine and bodywork led the way for the Mark 3, the angular headed 2-valve twin generating 81 hp.  Angles dominate the fairing design as well, the bikini doing a nice job protecting the rider, and connecting the angular design to the fuel tank and seat fairing.  Guzzi traditions like Dell'Orto carburetors, linked brake system, and shaft drive are retained.  New ideas are there, like air-adjustable suspension and the crankcase vent routed through the frame tube to reduce noise.

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Under new ownership, the Le Mans offered here has had a little freshening up, and looks good for its 29,000 miles.  Substantially stock, I'm liking those head guards.  From the eBay auction:

The bike is very unmolested, all the cables, grommets, fasteners, clips etc are as from the factory (except the valve cover fasteners which I replaced with stainless and the odd nut here and there). The bike hasn't been apart or messed with. All switches, idiot lights, horn and turn signals work. The mileage is correct. The bike was owned by a lady for 20 years who really looked after it and just rode it. The bike sat for 5 years before I bought it.

I've owned it for a year and a half and in that time done the following work: repainted the original bodywork. Fairing decal set from MG Cycle. Tank has no dents and has the original factory paint. New crossover and fuel lines. Carb rebuild and set up. Full service and oil change with filter and FAC front dampers in the last week. I've put approximately 3K miles on the bike and it runs flawlessly.
Prior upgrades were stainless brake lines, Koni shocks and a Dyna ignition.
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Moto Guzzi ignored the arrival of the Interceptors, GS's and GPz's, and stuck by their sport bike principles and their fans.  The heavyweight tested as a fun, stable ride, and once the air suspension was set up, a good handler.  The formula has brought Guzzi into the water-cooled, fuel injected era, if not WSBK.  The owner is really into it and has his own Guzzi fan site.  This nicely updated classic will get plenty of attention on the next coffee run...
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-donn
Cafe Traditionale – 1984 Moto Guzzi 850 Le mans Mk III
Ducati February 14, 2013 posted by

Tri-Colored Twin: 1986 Ducati 750 F1

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From the Pacific Northwest comes this fantastic looking Ducati 750 F1. Despite this bike's great appearance (reportedly housebroken at an early age) this one is also a rider with some 23,500 kilometers on those white-faced Veglia dials. That works out to be about 14,500 miles or so - give or take - and proves that this beauty is more than just a living room queen.

Update 2.13.2013: Previously listed a few weeks back, this F1 is back after bids reached $16k but failed to meet reserve. Current bid is $9k with 3 days to go. Links updated. -dc

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The F1 was impossibly small for its day. In the world of aircooled Japanese inline fours, the F1 was narrow and svelte. This was to be a scalpel in a world of sledgehammers; torque and agility to combat horsepower and top speed.

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From the seller:
1986 DUCATI 750 F1 ,DESMO ,FANTASTIC CONDITION ,RUNS FLAWLESS ,SOUNDS INCREDIBLE ,NEW BATTERY ,RECENT BELTS AND TUNE UP ,NO ISSUES ,INDOOR STORED FROM NEW ,FAIRING HAS NONE OF THE USUALL CHIPS AND SCRATCHES ,EVERYTHING WORKS ,CLEAN TITLE ,FRONT AND REAR STANDS , THIS IS A VERY RARE DUCATI WITH LESS THAN 1100 MADE OF THIS MODEL ,ITS RACING BIKE FOR THE STREET ! MUSEUM QUALITY EXAMPLE ,WE AT BUYERS EXPENSE CAN SHIP WORLDWIDE ,NEAR FLAWLESS AND CONCOURES CONDITION ,COMPARED TO OTHER RACING DUCATIS THESE 750 F1s ARE A BARGIN AND A GREAT INVESTMENT.

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The 750 F1 utilizes a Pantah-derived L-twin. Rubber belts drive the desmo valve train opposed to the bevel gears of the earlier models. The engine breathes via a pair of Dell'Orto carbs with mesh screens to keep low flying birds out of the intake. Front forks are Forcella 40 mm units, and braking duties are handled by Brembo. While no longer modern by any stretch, the minimalist approach makes this bike a visceral experience: lots of noise, vibration and personality.

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Interest has been very high on this bike, as F1s are moving into collector circles these days. The current bid on this beauty is $12,600, with reserve still in place. We have seen these offered at $20k and above, so it will be interesting to see how high this particular bike climbs before the reserve comes off. For all the details, you can check it out here. Good Luck!

MI

Ducati November 29, 2012 posted by

Tri-colored survivor: 1985 Ducati 750 F1a

Update 11.29.2012: We first posted this F1a in early August of this year and it failed to meet reserve just shy of $10k. Back on eBay with 4 days to go, the bidding is up to $8400 with reserve not met. Links updated. -dc

This Ducati 750 F1 "a" model is a pretty rare bike. It is not rare because of some limited edition number plate riveted to the headstock. No, this Ducati gained exclusivity the old fashioned way - they just didn't sell a whole lot of them. Fast forward 27 years and what was an interesting (albeit lowest of the F1 pecking order) bike back then becomes something a little bit more special.

We have posted several F1 models on RSBFS over the years - in varying condition. This particular bike looks to be a solid example. It is neither ratty and worn out, but nor is it overly restored to be made "like new." I would certainly call it clean! It has pretty decent mileage on the clocks - 35000km according to the auction - which shows exactly what this bike is all about: riding.

From the seller:
here is a nice clean example of a early f1 a. bike has covered 35000km as indicated on speedo.new avon tires installed. these bikes are becoming more desirable and very collectable,prices continue to rise on nice examples. dellorto carbs,brembo brakes. a nice example of a low production model bike.

The seller is right about the value. These three color wonders seem to be making more green than white or red. Values are on the rise, and bikes in top condition are snapped up quickly. As always, so much will hinge on the reserve for this particular bike. We have seen F1s in the $10-12k range in the past, but this looks more like it is headed for the $15k+ seats.

Striking good looks, relatively low production numbers, age and condition - these all determine future values. And this F1 appears to have a pretty bright future. Best part of all is that you can ride it and enjoy it today; these are still serviceable machines with a good supply of parts and mechanic knowledge. For your opportunity to be the next curator of this great looking F1, click the link and jump over to the auction. Let's see how high she goes!

MI