Posts by tag: Bimtao 500 Vdue

Bimota February 14, 2017 posted by

The VDue that worked:
1999 Bimota VDue Trofeo in Italy

Update 2.14.2017: We last posted this bike roughly a year ago, and bidding stopped at a little over $20k, reserve not met. Links are updated with the current auction. Good luck to buyers and seller! -dc

Here is something we have only had on RSBFS once before, a Bimota VDue Trofeo edition.  The Trofeo was a track oriented VDue produced by the factory that incorporated a host of changes which Bimota claimed fixed the problems that had plagued the VDue since its launch.

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1999 Bimota VDue Trofeo in Italy

The VDue was supposed to be a game changer for Bimota; it would have not only the specialized frame and top-spec suspension components Bimota was known for but also have a new direct-injected 500cc two-stroke v-twin.  Pollution regulations in the 1990's were making it harder for new two-stroke models to get approved for street use. Bimota decided the solution was fuel injection; it would defeat a lot of the pollution and would place Bimota at the top of the sportbike-as-luxury-item category.

As regularly RSBFS readers know, despite the promise of the VDue design, the first VDue models had major problems, especially in the fuel management and engine areas.  These problems have been detailed in previous VDue listings here on RSBFS.  For anyone who is curious, an especially good explanation was done in a post back in December by RSBFS contributor Tad D which can be read here.

Suffice to say the VDue is now considered the bike that forced Bimota into bankruptcy and the last of the big/500cc two-stroke sportbikes.

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The Trofeo was an effort by Bimota to prove the VDue issues were resolved.  Built as a run of 26 track-focused bikes by Bimota and "leased" to racers by Bimota for a sponsored challenger/race series called "Trophy", the 26 Trofeo editions came with serious racing components, including race-oriented carburetors, a race-spec electrical harness and ECU and different exhaust systems.

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According to research, the Trofeo edition did not have the engine issues or peaky power delivery that had plagued the earlier models and the engine didn't suffer any major issues.   Another 177 VDue's were produced after the Trofeo version and those also seemed to have less problems but the initial reputation remained. and the VDue was one more nail in the coffin of Bimota.

Note:  I can't help but think what might have been if Bimota had taken the VDue racing first, identified and then resolved the engine issues and then made a street legal VDue version available to the masses.  Perhaps we would still be hearing stuff like this on the streets of the USA today.

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For this VDue Trofeo mileage is listed as zero and the bike has apparently been in a collection since 2003.  This bike shows a VIN# of 26 and the seller indicates this is the last Trofeo and the only one that is still in NOS condition.

NOTE:  According to the VDue.it website, the Trofeo models cannot have a numberplate for road usage.  Not sure what this means for any non uk buyer.

Obviously a full service (including tires) would be required before it went back on the street.

Here is what the seller has to say:

  • Not to be confused with the injection model or the later not factory built Evoluzione road model.
  • This is the last of 26 units the factory built in 1999 to compete in the Bimota 500 VDue Trofeo.
  • The bike is new unused/new san some small scratches in years of storing.
  • Unique occasion to own the most desiderable version of the only Bimota model with Bimota engine!
  • The only one of the 26 units still new

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What is this "last" VDue Trofeo worth?   Well I have seen VDue's listed for between $22,000 USD to $39,500 USD and given their limited production run of only 378(ish) units an average price for a VDue is tough to pin down.  In the UK gently ridden fuel injected models seem to be offered around $24,000 USD while in the US prices seem to be about $7,000 higher .  This one is supposed to be the last Trofeo which isn't fuel injected and has zero miles so I would guess a price of $27,000-$32,000 USD. While that price is kind of steep for a 16 year old bike that had a reputation for engine problems and might not be able to be used on the street, I do think it would be a jewel in any collection.

-Marty/Dallaslavowner

The VDue that worked: </br>1999 Bimota VDue Trofeo in Italy
Mondial February 23, 2015 posted by

Unobtanium Alert! Multiple Mondial Piegas for sale on ebay UK, including an EF version!

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Here are two (2!) of the ultra rare Mondial Piega models, both from the same seller.

For anyone not familiar with these bikes from previous RSBFS posts, FB Mondial was a small motorcycle manufacturer that had racing success in the 1940's and 50's but couldn't translate that success into a long term successful business model.  Mondial produced highly successful race bikes, many with the distinctive Dustbin fairings.  These bikes are considered to be some of the most beautiful bikes ever made and are now highly valued by collectors.  For example, the 1957 Mondial 125cc Grand Prix DOHC 'Dustbin' pictured below was recently offered for sale by Bonhams for over 110,000 USD (click the pic for more details).

1957 Mondial 125, Bonhams auction

Mondial Racebike

The Monidal bikes were so successful and so highly regarded that back in the 50's Soichiro Honda himself approached Mondial about purchasing their 125cc race bikes to help his company get up to speed (no pun intended).  When Honda won the 125cc and 250cc championships in 1961 the badges said Honda but the technology was Mondial.  FYI - This is why today, when you enter Honda's museum at its race track at Motegi, Japan, the first bike you see on display is a 125 Mondial.

By the mid 1960's Mondial was starting to struggle and in an interesting reversal, the company worked out an agreement with Honda to offer their bikes with Honda power. The Mondial brand continued on until the late 1970's but eventually it shutdown and fell into disuse.

In 2000, entrepreneur Roberto Zileti bought the dormant Mondial name from the original owner family and using his considerable wealth had a new Mondial designed.  The new bike was designed to compete in World Superbike racing and was to be powered by a Suzuki TL1000 V-twin engine but just before it was due to be launched Suzuki withdrew.  Ziletti then managed to convince Honda to supply the reborn Mondial with Honda SP-1 engines and the new Mondial Piega was born.

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While European bikes designed around Japanese engines have been known to promise more than they deliver (Im looking at you, Bimota), the Piega isn't one of those.  Mondial's engine modifications were small, consisting of a new intake and exhaust system and a reworking of the fuel injection mapping which bumped out the power a bit.  The major change was to weight; due to the extensive use of carbon-fiber,, the Piega is 45lb lighter than the SP-1.

Reviewers were quite enthusiastic over the bike, stating:

"the bike also feels faster than the latest Honda SP and the handling is at least as good. The SP-1 felt awkward and at times unstable with an especially flighty front end. The Piega is better, with great stability."

"The main development rider for the Piega was a 250cc race champion and it shows in the results...the Piega somehow manages to feel like a much smaller machine...it can be flicked into a corner and re-positioned mid-turn.  Also the very high quality race-based suspension gives the bike a tactile quality."

"You don't have to ride the Piega fast to savor the sensations it offers, because it's enormously rewarding at most speeds, but when you do it responds with a top-level ability. Of course the bike is also great to look at in its traditional blue and silver livery, although the combination of hard edges and curves occasionally clashes and the droop of the tail plate unit detracts from the bike's aggression."

2003? Blue and White Piega for sale on ebay UK

Here is the first one, a year isnt specified but it looks to be one of the early edition bikes, possibly a 2003.  Mileage is listed as Zero/new.  Asking price is 17,000 GBP which comes out to about 26,000 USD.

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While normally I am wary anytime someone says Zero/o miles for a bike, this one does look absolutely clean.  NOTE:  There have also been comments on previous RSBFS Piega posts that 11 of these bikes were "taken" by employees who didn't receive their paychecks after the company went bankrupt and that these are considered stolen.


Now here is the second one, an EF/Finale Edition version in lovely black and carbon fiber.

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2008? Mondial Piega EF/Final Edition

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The build history on the Final Edition/EF versions is a bit vague and the only info I can find is a brief mention of them being launched in 2008.   It seems like the EF version was produced out of Piega backstock with different carbon based bodywork similar to that from the Mondial GP bike.   The seller indicates this 1 of 10 EF versions which may account for its higher asking price of 22,500 GBP/35,000 USD.

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Now, the question is, what are these bikes worth?  The Mondial Piega is certainly a rare sportbike based on the listed production numbers and finding one let alone two in brand new condition is pretty amazing.  Even so, I think the price for these may be a bit high.  Previous postings on RSBFS  went for quite a bit less than the asking price but those posts were for US bikes, the bikes weren't 0 miles bikes and occurred while the financial crisis was still ongoing.  Perhaps someone can work out a package deal for both...?

-Marty/Dallaslavowner

Note:  This seller appears to have quite a few high end bikes for sale, including a Bimota VDue Evoluzione, which is the upgraded version equipped with carburetors.

Unobtanium Alert!  Multiple Mondial Piegas for sale on ebay UK, including an EF version!
Bimota January 25, 2015 posted by

Already Appreciating: Bimota VDue in NL

http://bit.ly/1t9Bzlhvdue1

Back in 1997 the VDue (pronounced "Vee-Doo-A") was supposed to be the Bike that pulled Bimota out of debt and back on the map.  The idea was great; a fuel injected two stroke that offered riders the power of a 500cc two stroke without the peaky two stroke power issue.  But as anyone familiar with the VDue or regular readers of RSBFS know, exactly the opposite happened and the VDue was pretty much a disaster.

The VDue had several problems, including typical manufacturing quality issues from a small Italian company (including spares availability).   But the biggest problem was the Fuel Injector system never worked correctly.  The bike struggled to run smoothly and couldn't pass USA EPA standards.  Bimota was forced to ditch the novel fuel injection system and offer bikes with carburetors, which kind of defeated the point of the motorcycle.

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1998 Bimota VDue for sale on ebay (Netherlands)

Faced with another hit to their reputation (the preceding Tesi effort had also been a sales disaster), Bimota was struggling and then during the 2000 World Superbike season one of Bimota's main sponsors disappeared while owing the company a great deal of money. The combination of events forced Bimota to file for bankruptcy and close their doors.  The remaining VDues were locked in the factory but eventually acquired and sold off to a combination of collectors and enthusiasts who continued to work to improve them.

Note:  An excellent write up on the VDue can be read on oddbike.

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This particular VDue appears to be completely stock, which means it would likely still have the running issues the bike is known for.    The seller states that the bike only has 20 miles on it but unfortunately doesn't include any pictures of the dash mileage indicator gauge so this would need to be verified.   The bike is located in the Netherlands so asking prices will be higher than places like the USA.

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The asking price for this VDue is between 25-30 USD which while a lot, is actually in line with previous auctions.  Now I know that amount of money could get you something like the Yamaha R7 OW02 we listed earlier this week .  Also while this bike would not be able to be ridden right away.   So why would someone pick this over the OW02? Simple- based on the prices we have seen these listing for, these bikes are already starting to appreciate/values are going back up while bikes like the OW02 remain flat or are still declining.

The rise in asking/sales prices is probably due to several factors, including age and rarity.  But I have noticed that the VDue does seem to be a halo bike/"the-one-bimota-I want" for a lot of people (including Isle of Mann rider Guy Martin).  This is kind of interesting because since Bimota was restarted in 2003, their Ducati and BMW powered machines have gotten excellent reviews and parts availability/maintenance is no longer an issue.  Perhaps its a case of succeeding by failing first; the Bimota VDue failure made people believe that the company operates with an eye for passion as well as a desire for profitability.

Already Appreciating:  Bimota VDue in NL
Bimota May 23, 2010 posted by

BIMOTA V-DUE 500 2-STROKE, CASH TALKS!

 

I believe it was 1997 or 98, a good friend and I were in Italy livin' "Large" (god bless the Lire vs Dollar back then) and we knew one of the guys at Bimota  so off  to Rimini we headed for a visit. The V-due , pronounced "Vee-Doo-A" (translation "V-2"), was just launched about a year prior. This was the bike that was going to pull Bimota out of debt and back on the map, hey "what could possible go wrong"  but did exactly the opposite. Following the tradition of the Tesi (another Bimota disaster) the V-due barely ran, had a power band from 9-10k rpm and still wouldn't pass our EPA standards. With all the bad press  devoted 2-smokers looked the other way and wanted the bike, so at the time I imported about 7-8 of these and promptly sold them. I kept one for myself and rode it for a summer, mine actually ran "okay" but you had to keep changing spark plugs and one time the exhaust got so hot it started melting the tail section. Others were not as good, one seized because Bimota forgot to open the petcock for the oil injection tank and others were just plagued with horrible running problems. Being a fuel-injected 2 stroke was just plain tough and these bikes clearly needed more R+D. Now stacked with a warehouse of unsold V-due's Bimota decided to sell some as  race bikes, then convert some to carb's to try to move them but nothing worked. So back to my Italy story, guess what greets you when you first walk in to the Bimota factory....????  That's right their two biggest failures that pretty much bankrupted the company, the V-Due and the Tesi. I'm serious I can't make this kind of stuff up! 

Located in Ohio on Craig's List go here for the jump.

No price, no miles, and it would be nice to claim a year, WTF?? This has the decals of their "Evoluzione" version which was switched to carb's but again, no indication from the owner. I still think these things are awesome and headed for collector status someday. If  it does have the carb conversion then it probably runs "okay", the fuel-injected ones though will bring the bigger "collectable" money  in years to come. I sold these things new for about $21k and we've seen a few for sale in the $15-$19k range recently so I feel it's worth whatever you want to pay to really have one. Start flashin' some dead presidents in front of him!

Ciao for now...Jay