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Triumph September 3, 2017 posted by

Future Classic?: 2000 Daytona 955i

The current big news in reborn motorcycling makers is Norton, especially now that the reborn company is rolling out its new V4 superbike but back in 1991, it was John Bloors relaunch of Triumph Motorcycles that had everyone's interest.   Triumph began with a series of both 3 and 4 cylinder engines but after a few years decided it would focus on the 3-cylinder engine configuration, in part due to cost but also due to Triumph's long history of producing 3 cylinder machines.  When it came time for the company to roll out their first new 3-cylinder sportbike the result was the Daytona series powered by a 955cc 3-cylinder engine.

2000 Daytona 955i on ebay

When it was launched in 1999, the new Daytona got very positive reviews but wasn't a a huge sales success.  There were several reasons for this; the competition such as the Fireblade and R1 were more sharply focused/delivered better performance, Triumph was still a bit of an unknown brand due to its long absence, and an odd branding moniker of T595 that was confusing to many people.  A decision was quickly made to rename the bike to to the 955i and to also re-position the bike away from the lightweight competition.  The 955i would instead be positioned as an option in the so called "sportbike-for-adults" segment dominated by the Honda VFR.

Wrapped in a very attractive design, the second generation 955i came with a Lotus designed engine that produced about 128 bhp.   In other words, not slow but not an equal to the Fireblade or R1.  Riding position was upright and comfortable, handling was neutral and build quality was excellent.  And perhaps best of all, while other bikes of the era were still being clad in graphics packages that could make your eyes bleed, all the Daytona models came in mono-chromatic paint schemes with simple and subtle graphics.  Today's listing is clad in perhaps the best of the these and seems to be the most sought after by collectors, Aluminum Silver.

Perhaps the key thing about the 955i was that it really did meet its goal of being an alternative to the VFR.   While not a pure hyperbike, it was sporting enough to deliver speeds that met the needs of almost all riders while also able to handle daily street duty, excel at weekend canyon corner carving and be comfortable enough for medium level touring.  Unfortunately, Triumph was unwilling to wait for the market to develop and after only a few years Triumph revised the bike again/rolled out a 3rd generation machine.  The new machine had an improved engine and was lighter and the bodywork was a more angular style.  While these changes moved the 955i closer to the compeition it was still no match and the new style made the 955i look similar to most other bikes of the day, thereby losing a large part of its appeal.  The effect on these changes was the opposite of what was intended and this misstep together with the development advantage of the larger Japanese companies led Triumph to discontinue their larger sportbike effort entirely in 2006.

Now lets turn our attention to this particular 955i.  Mileage is just below 10,000 miles and condition looks to be excellent.  However the seller (who seems to be a dealer) indicates some damage to the front rim but will include a new front wheel with the sale of the bike.  Unfortunately there is no information about service history and some of the pictures are a bit blurry.  Also I think the front windscreen might be aftermarket but this would need to be verified by the seller.

Here is what the seller has to say

  • Has a Black Widow performance exhaust system - a $1200 upgrade
  • Minor scuffs and scratches as shown in the pictures.
  • Small repair as noted in bottom fairing, see pictures. This is a typical area for damage.
  • Also a ding in the front wheel from a pothole. An extra front wheel comes with the bike. 

So now let's go to the question; what is this bike worth?  Well its not perfect, isn't the fastest machine of the period, had no significant race success and didn't really introduce any significant new technology.  Also the front wheel issue mentioned by the seller on this one is concerning, a VIN check is probably in order.  But on the plus side it is probably the best looking edition of the entire Daytona lineup and seems to be the model and color scheme most likely to appreciate in value over time.

I will admit that this one is tempting, especially since the current bid price is slighly over $2,000 USD while previous listings on RSBFS of this same model and color scheme have gone for around $4,500 USD.  But price is not the only point of appeal for this bike; the 2nd gen Aluminum silver edition seems to be akin to the 1993 Honda VFR 750 in that even though it wasn't the best bike of its time, it just looks right.  Sure the next generation bike 955i was technically a better motorcycle, but this is the one that would always put a smile on my face and really, isn't that a large part of the fun of a sportibke?

 

-Marty/Dallaslavowner

Future Classic?:  2000 Daytona 955i
Triumph April 29, 2017 posted by

Grand Touring: 1999 Triumph Daytona 1200SE for Sale

Motorcycling history is littered with storied nameplates undone by economic changes, and many have tried and failed to resurrect those brands, but one of the enduring success stories continues to be Triumph. Sunk by a changing economy, a changing market, and an inability to compete with the reliable, affordable, high-performance bikes from Japan, Triumph's long, slow slide into irrelevance was over by 1983. John Bloor originally purchased the defunct Triumph facility with an eye to razing it and building residences, but somewhere along the line, a bit of nationalistic inspiration struck him and he instead decided to revive the brand. Attempts to compete head-on with sportbikes from Japan a second time were always going to end in failure, so Triumph wisely chose to focus on quality and heritage instead of outright performance. That's not to say that bikes like today's Triumph Daytona 1200SE didn't have brawn to match their good looks, but that performance was never going be as focused or as inexpensive as it would be with something like a GSX-R1100. Instead, Triumph went for a different customer, one more concerned with quality and class than top-speed numbers or lap times.

The biggest limitation to ultimate performance was Triumph's decision to go with modular design based around a spine frame. That same basic frame and two engines, a triple or an inline four, could be wrapped in different bodywork to create an entire range of motorcycles and quickly add models to react to market changes, which gave versatility for a fairly low cost. Unfortunately, it meant a bit of a jack-of-all-trades quality, with too much weight carried too high for optimal handling. Nothing wrong in the engine room however: 147 horsepower may not sound all that impressive, considering the 1180cc engine, but it was one of the most powerful motorcycles available at the time and a claimed 85 lbs-ft of torque is BMW S1000RR territory. So the big Daytona can move out smartly and, most importantly, can sustain that 159mph top speed seemingly all day long, with plenty of wind protection from the big fairing and all-day ergonomics.

Styling is always subjective, but I think these look pretty cool, with that dual-round headlamp endurance racing style, but without the aggression or wild graphics of a 90s Japanese sportbike. The monochromatic color treatment, especially the black seen here, makes it look classy and elegant. I think they've aged well and prices mean you can have a classic road-burner with all-day comfort for relative peanuts. Personally, I'd prefer one of the hot-rod three-cylinder Super III models, but in either guise you're looking at a deceptively fast motorcycle.

From the original eBay listing: 1999 Triumph Daytona 1200SE for Sale

I purchased this bike three years ago to add it to the other two Daytona's I already have. The reason for the sale is that I have my hands full with my other D-12's and the other bikes we have. So... In the three years I have owned the bike I have put less than 400 miles on the it. I replaced the left and right fairings as well as the front fairing, windshield, with trim, clip-ons, fork seals, tires, and battery. I am the third owner, from what I was told. I have the bike stored in my climate controlled basement since I brought it home. The bike is completely stock. All parts used are Triumph parts. There is a very small ding on the tank. On the right side from previous owner. Also a small scratch/rub on the left side rear body work. The only thing missing is the Union Jack that gets mounted on the side fairing underneath "Special Edition". I have not located one yet. The last thing the bike needs is a carb tune. I have not done this because I wasn't riding it. I have a shop that has tuned my other D-12's that has the bikes producing 120hp and 80ft.lbs. at the rear wheel. I can have them do the work for around, $400.00, or we can discuss other options.

Full disclosure is something we all appreciate when shopping for a bike. When obvious stuff is wrong but not mentioned, we bike folks think, "Hmmm... if he's not being up front with that, what else isn't he telling us?" Being upfront about minor flaws suggests that, not only is the seller honest, but that they are a bit obsessive themselves. I'm not obsessive about minor flaws like the ones present here, but I sure want to buy a bike from someone who is. For a bike meant to cover big miles at big speeds, this one shows remarkably little wear and tear, although mileage is pretty low and the seller is asking $5,199.00 for what appears to be a very nice motorcycle. This is another bike like yesterday's VF1000R where most examples that show up for sale seem to have held up very well, considering the fact that they're 20 years old devices that go belting along highways and back roads at speed, which speaks not only to build quality, but to attentive ownership. But then again, that's exactly the kind of customer Triumph was shooting for in the first place.

-tad

Grand Touring: 1999 Triumph Daytona 1200SE for Sale
Triumph January 10, 2017 posted by

British Beef: 1996 Triumph Daytona Super III for Sale

Faced with the onslaught of powerful, dead-reliable motorcycles from Japan, many of the storied British and European motorcycle brands folded and Triumph was among them, although the story of their eventual resurrection is suitably British. These days, they’re famous for their characterful performance machines, but it took them years to earn that enviable reputation. This Daytona Super III represents ground-zero for this new generation of Triumph motorcycles and was their sportiest bike at the time.

John Bloor was actually looking at the defunct Triumph factory as a residential building site when he decided instead to relaunch the brand, which is about as much a change of heart as it’s possible to have. Building a wide variety of bikes to suit different markets and niches with entirely different frames and engines would have been prohibitively expensive, so the new range of motorcycles was built around a modular frame, with either a 900cc triple or 1200cc inline four for motivation: the 900cc triple in the Daytona was the same basic engine that also powered the Thunderbird, Trident, Sprint, Tiger, Trophy, and Speed Triple. Pretty impressive, considering how different those bikes appear at first glance.

The standard Daytona 900 made 98hp, but Cosworth tuning took the Super III to 115hp, with a near 140mph top speed, with upgraded, six-piston brakes up front to bring the whole thing to a halt quickly. Those numbers were healthy for the time, although they didn’t really compete with the fastest bikes of the era. But as you can see from the displacement, Triumph wasn’t looking at competing in racing for the most part, and the displacements reflect this roadgoing mission, an area in which the bike excelled.

Handling was very stable, although the spine frame carried weight high and the bike was fairly heavy overall so it couldn't really be considered nimble. But quality was a step up from the Japanese, comfort was good, and the look was much more classic and conservative to appeal to a different segment of the sportbike marketplace. These days, nice Daytonas and even Super IIIs can be had for relative peanuts, as you can see with today’s example, and offers up useable performance and distinctive looks.

From the original eBay listing: 1996 Triumph Daytona Super III for Sale

This is a good clean example of a rare 1996 Triumph Daytona Super 3.  The bike is in great shape with limited modifications and most of the original parts.  I do not have the original exhaust, but have seem them on e-bay for 100-$300.  This bike has just had a fresh tune-up, rebuilt carbs, plugs, all new rubber hoses, coolant flush, valve adjustment, and new Pilot 3 tires.  One of the side panels may have been repainted at some point, but I'm not sure, and one of the rear turn signals has a broken stalk.   Aftermarket parts  4 into 1 full race exhaust by Sebring K&N pod filters (original air box included) Available Parts 1 Brand new Penske fully adjustable remote resivore rear shock $1,000 (paid $1300).  If the bike buyer dose not want it, I'll list it in a separate auction. Additional Super 3 info: The Triumph Daytona Super III was a limited edition of the under-appreciated Daytona 900. Just 805 were sold worldwide and they featured engine work by Cosworth. In addition to Cosworth’s touch, this bike got bigger cams, flat slide carbs, 6 piston front brakes, and a whole lot of carbon fiber. The results of the engine work yielded a healthy 115 horsepower, though the bike was too heavy to be a true sports bike. It instead ended up being a fantastic sport-tourer, and a bike you had to muscle around to have a lot of fun with.

That "repainted side panel" does look a bit off in a couple of the photos, but the seller is asking a very reasonable $3,500 for what appears to be a clean, well-maintained and upgraded bit of Triumph's comeback story. The styling may be a bit dated, but the bike oozes class and while it may not be a "true sportbike" it has muscle where it counts: on the road. And let's be honest, that's where most motorcyclists spend their time. Track day junkies should probably look elsewhere,  although one of the coaches at the track-day organization I rode with on the East Coast had a Daytona like this one set up for track riding, so they can be made to handle if you're willing to expend a bit of time, money and effort.

-tad

British Beef: 1996 Triumph Daytona Super III for Sale
Triumph December 27, 2016 posted by

SE Yes – 2008 Triumph Daytona 675 SE

Developed from the TT600 but returning to Triumph's 3-cylinder roots, the Daytona 675 was a brilliant middleweight. The SE was primarily a black and gold color exercise but this one looks great with low miles.

2008 Triumph Daytona 675 SE for sale on eBay

The 675cc triple is quite oversquare and claims 123 hp in a smooth way.  The twin aluminum spar frame has a matching swingarm and fully adjustable suspension on both ends.  The design also uses radially mounted front brakes and 3-into-1 underseat exhaust.  Weight has been kept under control and the 675 is capable of an 11-second quarter.

Coming out of an Illinois dealer, this SE looks cared for and has just over 13,000 miles.  The aftermarket rearsets are a good color match for the fork tubes and it has a Two Brothers exhaust fitted.  From the eBay auction:

This 2008 Triumph 675 Daytona Special Edition has only 13,113 miles and has had all of its maintenance performed. This bike is immaculate and comes with frame sliders, axle sliders, tinted shield, Two Brothers exhaust, and much more. This bike is ready to ride and all it needs is a good home!

The 675 scored well with journalists and went on to racing success in super stock classes under many privateers.  A nice success for Triumph, and still an interesting find in the 600cc neighborhood.  The SE has classic good looks and this trade-in looks like a nice example...

-donn

SE Yes – 2008 Triumph Daytona 675 SE
Triumph August 26, 2016 posted by

Four Cylinder Brit: 1995 Triumph Daytona 1200 for Sale

1995 Triumph Daytona 1200 L Side

The sagas of some of the most well-known European manufacturers can read like film scripts, full of action and intrigue. But if Ducati’s story is a bit like an Indiana Jones movie, with death-defying thrills and narrow escapes from doom, Triumph’s history is a bit like a zombie movie, since they were basically dead and buried when John Bloor came along to resurrect the company. So how does a shambling, undead motorcycle manufacturer with limited resources and a less-than-stellar reputation for quality create a successful range of motorcycles from scratch? With interesting niche machines like today’s Daytona 1200.

1995 Triumph Daytona 1200 Tank

Triumph’s bikes of the period were designed around a modular concept that allowed Triumph to develop a wide variety of motorcycles for different riders with a minimal cost. It also allowed them to quickly introduce new models and capitalize on market trends. Introduced in 1993, the Daytona was virtually identical to the touring Trophy, with new bodywork, suspension, and tires. But those small changes resulted in a bike that was much more than the sum of its parts.

1995 Triumph Daytona 1200 Front Brake

The Daytona 1200 is much like the 900 in terms of character, only more so: the big 1180cc inline four isn’t so much a lightweight sportbike as it is an alternative to something like the ZX-11, a fast, big-bore GT. And while the other bikes in the class battled it out for top-speed honors, the Daytona wisely demurred and stuck with road-biased gearing that emphasized the beastly midrange stomp of the big four and gave the bike seriously rapid acceleration up to 100mph. The engine produced a claimed 147hp and 85lb-ft of torque, pulling around 550lbs wet. That horsepower number may not scream “high performance” but take a look at that torque figure: right on par with modern literbikes, although the Daytona obviously has more weight to lug around. Handling was very good, but limited by the bike’s 550lb wet weight, a downside of Triumph’s modular construction. Comfort was excellent as well, almost as if Triumph expected their customers to actually ride their machines…

1995 Triumph Daytona 1200 Clocks

From the original eBay listing: 1995 Triumph Daytona 1200 for Sale

This is a one owner bike purchased from new. It has 5,093 100% original miles. This bike is 100% original except for the D&D exhaust system. It has never been in an accident of any kind. We have the original clean title, everything is authentic.

Very few miles have rolled under the wheels of today’s example. It appears to be in excellent condition, and includes an aftermarket exhaust that should reduce the weight slightly and increase the volume and quality of the noise, although D&D exhausts can be a little on the loud side. That $6,588.00 Buy It Now price is pricey for an old Daytona, but I bet you won't see one nicer anytime soon. The seller also includes a very nice, high-resolution video of the bike to give you a good idea of what you'll be buying.

1995 Triumph Daytona 1200 Engine Detail

Triumph knew that their modular design was never going to compete directly with specialized bikes from the Japanese manufacturers, so they simply went their own way, and focused on maximizing the performance of their platform, improving the quality, and styled their products to appeal to a more sophisticated, mature rider who didn’t need to pretend they were going to win races on their machines. That may not have led to bragging rights at the time, but it made for a very well-rounded machine that's aged very well: styling is classic and the bike offers very real performance. All of the Daytonas, and even the later 595 and 955 versions are starting to increase in value of late. If you’re looking for a handsome bike with character and the ability to munch miles, a Daytona like this one might make an excellent addition to your stable.

-tad

1995 Triumph Daytona 1200 R Side Rear

Four Cylinder Brit: 1995 Triumph Daytona 1200 for Sale
Sport Bikes For Sale August 14, 2016 posted by

The best one: 2001 Triumph Daytona 955i with 866 miles

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2001 Triumph 955i in silver on Ebay USA

When the Triumph motorcycle company was reborn back in 1991, the company's initial lineup included a big-bore Daytona model powered by an inline 4 cylinder engine. The 1st generation Daytona editions showed that the reborn company could produce a well built bike and have actually become quite collectible, with ebay prices for the 4-cylinder models rising quite a bit recently.  After a few years and in part due to heritage as well as cost, Triumph decided to stop producing the 4-cylinder powered Daytona model and focus primarily on triple/3-cylinder bikes.  A new Daytona series was designed as the signature big-bore bike for the Hinckley-based company, with power coming from a 955cc 3-cylinder/triple powerplant.

When it was launched in 1999, the new triple powered Daytona was a huge jump forward from the previous generation, incorporating the new engine, a single sided rear swingarm and a much more modern look and feel.  However sales were lower than expected, in large part due to the bike being positioned against lightweight 900-1000cc machines like the CBR900/Fireblade and Yamaha R1.   Also the 1st year bikes came with an odd naming convention of T595, which designated the 5th engine series designed by the company but made some people assume the bike was a 600cc machine.

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Sample pic of the T595 badged edition

Reviews of the new Daytona were mostly very positive and stated that while the bike couldn't match the performance of its Japanese rivals, it was still quite appealing and made an excellent all around sport machine.

"Judge the big Triumph by its lap times and it never matches the competition but it does have two things the competition does not;  the first is personality, which is often more important to most riders than cutting seconds off lap times, and the second is the fact that it works better than the competition for daily riding.  This is due to its being more comfortable, especially now in its second incarnation.  

It’s got top notch finish and fit too, which means its looks will hold up while rivals will likely start to look rough after just a few years use."

A gentle revamp was done in 2001 which included a re-badging to the 955i moniker as well as re-positioning the big Triumph against similar all around sport machines such as the Honda VFR and Yamaha FJ series.  The result was a strong improvement in sales but the 955i was never a huge success.  Yet the 955i is still very popular among sportbike fans who want something different/distinctive that is also usable on an everyday basis.

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I have to admit I lusted after these when they came out; I loved the way they looked with the organically rounded/flowing bodywork and the single sided rear swing arm.  Sadly the next generation moved away from this style to something with more sharp angles that while popular at the time, actually made the bike look less distinctive/more like every other bike on the market and hasn't aged as well.

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Sample pic of the following generation style...snore..

This particular 2001 Triumph Daytona is extremely clean but given its ultra low mileage of 866 miles thats not totally surprising.  The only non stock items I see are an aftermarket exhaust and a rear tail unit setup (which could probably be easily sourced on ebay if desired).  The seller appears to be a dealer and doesn't include any maintenance history but the fluids and rubber do look fresh.  Of course that could just be good photography... but yow I think this bike look great.

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merged 955i

So what is this lovely (and basically new) 955cc 3 cylinder bit of British engineering worth?  Well there are currently a few other Triumph Daytona 955i's for sale on ebay right now from the same generation and prices for those seem to be right around $2,800 USD.   This even includes another "Aluminum Silver" edition for sale, although the mileage for the other one is a lot higher and the ownership situation seems a bit odd.

So $2800 USD to take this one home, right?  Nope - the bidding on this one already exceeds the Buy-It-Now price of some of those other same-generation 955i models currently listed on ebay and reserve is still not met. Why?  Well the seller is apparently a dealer which always makes the price ask a bit more and the mileage/overall condition are obvious impacting the price.  But its also important to note that the Aluminum Silver style of this generation has become THE preferred model and color scheme for a lot of collectors.  Monochrome/single color bikes  seem to become quite desired over time (ex: the 1st gen all white Honda VFR), so it should not be surprising that this bike with its all silver bodywork and matching wheels is considered to be the one most likely to appreciate in value by investment-oriented collectors.  The last one of these we had on RSBFS sold incredibly quickly for $4,000 USD and that one had over 10,000 miles, so I would expect this one to go for something above that.

-Marty/Dallaslavowner

The best one: 2001 Triumph Daytona 955i with 866 miles