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Roehr May 13, 2015 posted by

Collector Alert: 2009 Roehr 1250S prototype for sale in Illinois

Here is one that has been floating around the net off and on for the last year or so, a 2009 Roehr 1250s (non-supercharged).

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2009 Roehr 1250s for sale on ebay

Motorcycle collectors typically fall into two groups; those who collect bikes because they enjoy them (which includes "nostalgia" collectors who are reliving their youth) and those who collect bikes as investments.

For the later group, there is an inherent risk that comes from having to make assumptions about a bikes future value.  For every Britten-V1000 there is a Fischer MRX or Bimota Mantra.  Some investment-oriented collectors try to focus on buying limited editions from more established brands, but there is still no guarantee of future value;  for every bike that has its value jump up (example: Ducati SuperMono, Honda NR750) there are those that go the opposite way and depreciate far below the original asking price (example: Aprilia Nera, Bimota V-Due).

The reason for what I wrote above is that I think this bike, a 2009 Roehr 1250s, will appeal most to an investment-oriented collector.

The 2009 Roehr 1250s was marketed as an "all america sportbike", which was a bit of a poke at Buell which had switched over to Rotax engines.   The Roehr 1205s was designed to produce 180 hp due to a supercharged Harley Davidson 1250 cc "Revolution" engine.  The frame was also quite inventive, featuring a Bi-Metal beam design consiting of both chrome-moly steel and T6 Aluminum.   While the engine and frame designs were inventive, styling was a bit of a mishmash, with a front fairing reminiscent of a Ducati 999, undertail exhausts that were already starting to go out of fashion, no passenger accomodations, and HD-derived instrumentation.

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Despite the mishmash of styling, reviews were actually pretty good. So what happened? Unfortunately for Walter Roehrich (the man behind the effort) the Roehr was introduced ight at the beginning of the financial crisis.  Together with an initial asking price of an eye-popping $50,000 USD, its not surprising that sales werent exactly robust.  The company struggled on for a few years but only 10 production versions of the 1250s were reported to have been made with the full supercharger setup before the company closed up shop.

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This particular Roehr looks to be quite clean with just a few tiny scuffs and scratches.  While its being listed as the prototype bike that all the others were based on, its a bit unclear as to whether the supercharger unit is installed or not.

Here is some info provided by the seller along with some observations

  • 2009 Roehr Harley based sport bike, single sided swingarm, Akropovic exhausts
  • 2800 miles
  • Bike belonged to the owner (Walter Roehrich) and was the bike that all the others were based on.
  • There are ten of these in the world with most being sold to collectors in Europe and Asia.  This bike is one of only two in the U.S
  • Bike is constructed using only high end components and materials (Carbon fiber, billet, titanium), Marchesini wheels, etc.
  • This bike is normally aspirated using cams and K&N intakes

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Is this bike worth the Buy-It-Now asking price of S18,000 USD?   Well the previous times this bike has been listed by seller Chris Dolan the bids seem to reaching around 14k but that was last year.   Original listing price for the turbocharged version was $50,000 USD so you are getting a very steep discount but it will be important for any future owner to confirm the status of the turbocharger system.

Personally I think the Roehr is a bit of a puzzle but still kind of appealing to right kind of buyer, perhaps a collector willing to take a chance.   I can already picture a Roehr in the Solvang motorcycle museum or the Barber Motorsport complex, perhaps next to a Bimota VDue with a placard saying "What could have been"....

 

-Marty/Dallaslavowner

Collector Alert:  2009 Roehr 1250S prototype for sale in Illinois
Roehr November 22, 2011 posted by

2009 ROEHR 1250sc For Sale in Illinois

Well, here’s something you don’t see everyday. Hands up: who’s ever heard of Roehr, or the Roehr 1250sc? What’s this? An exotic, powerful American sportbike?

Update 11.22.2011: Back on eBay with a Buy-it-Now of $20k. Links updated. -dc

Italy is full of tiny, semi-forgotten or barely viable sporting motorcycle manufacturers who’ve changed hands, been resurrected, been whored out, lived, died, or been forgotten. Bimota, Aermacchi, Laverda, Benelli, Motobi, Mondial, or Parilla... So many, it’s hard to keep track.

The cliché of the American Motorcycle has become one of the chromed-out, long and low chopper: the form-over-function, monstrously overstyled, fat and slow cruising machine. The British bike magazines sometimes refer to Harley Davidsons as “Hardly Movinsons” and it’s hard to really make the argument that they’re wrong: Harley’s sportiest bike, the XR1200 is about as sporty as Ducati’s Monster, the consummate pose-master (I know I look damn sexy on mine!)

How painful and embarrassing: it’s not that Yanks can’t ride and it’s not like we don’t have the roads to challenge a serious sportbike here. Plus Harley certainly made its share of race bikes back in the day, and Buell did it’s best to fit the heavy, but characterful American vee-twins into some very innovative sporting machines in more recent years…

But we’ve been mostly lacking in seriously sporting, boutique machines to compare with the real high-end exotica from Italy for almost 100 years...

2009 ROEHR 1250sc For Sale on eBay

Enter Walter Roehrich and Roehr motorcycles. Walter designed several bikes prior to this, powered by engines of his own design but based around mass-produced parts: a 500cc two-stroke vee twin using 250cc dirt bike cylinders and another powered by Highland, a Swedish dirt bike company.

The styling of the Roehr 1250sc we find here is a bit derivative, with a MV Agusta-esque front end and slightly last-generation sportbike Akropovic undertail pipes originally destined for an R1. That being said, it’s classy, understated, and expensive-looking.

What might get your blood pumping is well hidden behind those body panels: a 1250cc Harley Davidson V-Rod motor that Mr Roehrich decided needed a bit more oomph: it’s now boosted by a small, lightweight supercharger unit running 8lbs of boost. The result is about 170hp and a flat powerband that doesn’t care what gear you're in. Unfortunately obvious is the slightly out-of-place V-Rod instrument cluster. And if those side-mounted radiators look familiar and Honda VTR-inspired, that’s because that’s where you’ve seen them.

Clearly, the thoughtful engineering that’s gone into this bike has paid off: the bike weighs in at 432 lbs dry, which I’d imagine is no small feat considering the ungainly lump of a motor they’ve shoehorned in there.

From their eBay auction:

The Roehr 1250sc is an exotic American Superbike, powered by a specially developed,
180hp, supercharged version of the Harley-Davidson V-Rod engine.
The 1250sc is graced with the highest quality components sourced from world class
manufacturers such as Marchesini, Brembo, Ohlins and Akropovic, a true American
performance motorcycle.

This particular bike has never been titled and is virtually new.
It was used for photo shoots and exhibition purposes.
The bike is EPA and CARB approved for sale in all 50 States.
Buyer is responsible for all shipping and applicable state sales taxes.
A Manufacturers Certificate of Origin will be supplied.

I’ve no idea what one of these is really worth, but there were originally 50 planned and priced at $49,999, so the $19,995 “buy it now” price seems a bargain. You surely won’t see one of these at your local bike night, and you could easily spend that much on a gaudy, out-of-fashion custom chopper. And you’d still be buying American.

-TD